offtosleep
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:30 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Sounds like a good deal. Remember to upgrade the heater with an Off switch and some insulation.



Any chance you have a link to this upgrade?

SageBrush
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:00 pm

offtosleep wrote:Okay gang, back down the rabbit hole we go!

I have located a 2012 Nissan LEAF SL. It has around 37,000 miles but just had a BRAND NEW BATTERY INSTALLED under a factory warranty. It does have both the DC charger and a EVSE charging port. The guy selling it has a 240V EVSE charger he'll through in with the deal. I've got him talked down to $7500.

Opinions?
Sounds like a GREAT deal if it lives up to its billing. Ask for a LEAFSpy report
Does his reason for selling seem reasonable ?

We focus on the battery, but is the rest of the car in good shape ?
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

offtosleep
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:31 pm

SageBrush wrote:
offtosleep wrote:Okay gang, back down the rabbit hole we go!

I have located a 2012 Nissan LEAF SL. It has around 37,000 miles but just had a BRAND NEW BATTERY INSTALLED under a factory warranty. It does have both the DC charger and a EVSE charging port. The guy selling it has a 240V EVSE charger he'll through in with the deal. I've got him talked down to $7500.

Opinions?
Sounds like a GREAT deal if it lives up to its billing. Ask for a LEAFSpy report
Does his reason for selling seem reasonable ?

We focus on the battery, but is the rest of the car in good shape ?


Sage, I don't have reason to doubt the guys story. He says he has ALL the paper work front the dealer showing that the battery was replaced 2 weeks ago. The only assessment I have of the condition is the photos I posted. The guy lives 3 hours from my rural community, so the soonest I can get down to see it will be Friday.

offtosleep
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:34 pm

In preparation to go see the car, I'd like to download the LeafSpy App. Don't mind paying for the PRO version. I already have a bluetooth OBDII reader. I also have both Apple as well as Android devices. Have a preference over one operating system vs the other?

Also, anyway to get a quick education of what to look for once I get there and hook the thing up?

cwerdna
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:58 pm

offtosleep wrote:In preparation to go see the car, I'd like to download the LeafSpy App. Don't mind paying for the PRO version. I already have a bluetooth OBDII reader. I also have both Apple as well as Android devices. Have a preference over one operating system vs the other?

Also, anyway to get a quick education of what to look for once I get there and hook the thing up?

For Android, there is the free Leaf Spy Lite app: viewtopic.php?t=14284. You can use that to make sure your set up (OBD2 dongle and Android device) work before paying for the full version. I ended up buying the Pro version.

I can't speak to the iOS version.

I personally prefer iOS and my iPhone 6 is my primary phone, but I also carry an Android phone for work (Nexus 5X) and bought an Android tablet long ago (Nexus 9) to play with.

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

SageBrush
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:20 pm

LeafSpy was originally developed for Android and I think it remains the better supported version.
It worked as advertised for me once I stopped being a dummy and put it through the blueTooth handshake routine with the OBDII dongle.

Now, let's see:
1st owner (presumably?) bought the car for close to $30k 4-5 years ago. Obviously an EV advocate and early adopter type
Now selling, even though he has a like-new LEAF. A couple leading explanations occur to me:
1. The LEAF has other problems and he is dumping it
2. He has since migrated to a different EV and this one, though fine, is not being used
3. His situation is changing and even the like-new range is inadequate
4. He is disenchanted by the rapid battery deterioration and does not want to go through it again.

(2) and (3) are music to your ears; (1) is obvious what (not) to do.
(4) is interesting, and you will have to decide if his experience will be yours (newer battery tech, perhaps different climate and use) and if so whether you are OK with that scenario. I personally would not be bothered by (4), but I am quite willing to baby my LEAF, avoid the behaviors that are known to age the battery prematurely, and my climate is not harsh. This is really why the LEAF is a poor choice for the general, uninformed, 'just drive it' public and a great buy for me. Know thyself, OP
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

LeftieBiker
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:24 pm

Read this, offtosleep (first post only):

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=23297

The heater switch should be linked there.

EDIT: I've also added it here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=20446
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

Evoforce
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:03 pm

It looks like you made a good frugal choice. I hope you are able to get it. Good luck!
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 51,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

BillHolz
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:53 am

As to charging at work by just plugging into an available wall outlet. That will work if it does not require your cord to cross any sidewalk or other path that people will be walking on. The trip hazard is far more the objection that facility managers will have rather than any concern for the small amount of power you will be using.
2015 SV no QC

GerryAZ
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Re: Newbie: Range Questions 34 mile one way commute

Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:24 pm

The 2012 looks nice in the pictures and should give you a good introduction to EVs. If you try to commute with it, you will need 120-volt charging at work (especially in cold weather) and 240-volt charging at home. You can probably make the round trip when it is warm until the battery starts to deteriorate if it still has low rolling resistance tires and they are inflated to at least 40 psi. The electric parking brake is nice--I miss it on my 2015 and have already had the foot pedal parking brake fixed/adjusted twice under warranty. Someone mentioned that the ones with electric parking brake cannot be pushed if the traction battery is depleted, but that is not correct. 12-volt battery power is needed to shift any LEAF out of Park (and to release the parking brake on 2011 and 2012 models) so a booster battery is needed if the 12-volt battery is also depleted.
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Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
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