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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:27 am

Although you seem to only have a short ride, I would caution you about your location...

I spent a few months in Clearwater, and I know that EVERYONE uses air conditioning EVERYWHERE during the summer.... I would imagine that you would have the A/C on all the time, everywhere you drive, day and night.... That would definitely use up a lot of battery... You really need to be aware of this....

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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:43 am

Pretty sure 1 to 5 miles each way wont be a problem for daily use. I understand using AC will effect long distance range so I already have planned out getting the car home, the plugshare app is rather useful.

AC usage is pretty much standard from March to October/November here. But in the early mornings before the humdity gets bad windows down is pretty good.

I did find a red 2015 thats 93 miles away. So thats a 24 KwH battery for sure but need to see if it has the quick charger. Price listed for this car is $9500 which is right around normal retail for a dealer if I referenced the price thread properly. has 23k miles on it :/

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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:09 am

I have a 1972 VW Super Beetle and a 1985 VW Golf diesel and had a 2001 Chevy Astro I sold when I bought my Leaf.

I'm getting up to 60mpg in the Golf. But the Leaf gets around 100e-mpg and costs me less to own and maintain. The hardest thing on any ICEV (internal combustion engine vehicle) is short trip driving. But short trip driving is what BEV's (battery electric vehicles) do best!
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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:36 am

IssacZachary wrote:I have a 1972 VW Super Beetle and a 1985 VW Golf diesel and had a 2001 Chevy Astro I sold when I bought my Leaf.

I'm getting up to 60mpg in the Golf. But the Leaf gets around 100e-mpg and costs me less to own and maintain. The hardest thing on any ICEV (internal combustion engine vehicle) is short trip driving. But short trip driving is what BEV's (battery electric vehicles) do best!


And by short trip driving, I assume that means any trip or set of trips that does not extend beyond the range of the BEV so that it can be refueled at night at home with 10 seconds to plug in and 10 seconds to unplug convenience. For me, I drive a 54 mile RT commute plus various errands each week day, which is perfect for any Leaf until serious degradation sets in.
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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:50 pm

BillHolz wrote:And by short trip driving, I assume that means any trip or set of trips that does not extend beyond the range of the BEV so that it can be refueled at night at home with 10 seconds to plug in and 10 seconds to unplug convenience.


Yes, I suppose, that's what I meant. I did take my Leaf on a 180mile trip once, but I don't think it would be a great car for that kind of driving every day. But within the EV's range the EV is a great car. My Leaf still has 12 bars and has nearly 45,000 miles. And my driving distances are so short I bet I could live with less than 8 bars, maybe 7 or even 6 if I had too. This means my Leaf will likely work fine for me until the doors rust off their hinges.

ICEV's love long runs. This is why long haul commercial trucks can hit the million mile mark before needing an engine rebuild. BMW also ran a car a million miles without even changing the oil. But around town here in Colorado I've had the situation on several occasions when my temp gauge on my car never moved off of the maximum cold reading because the 2 miles trip wasn't enough to warm the engine to that point. I'd like to see BMW try that million mile test at 0*F drving the car 10 miles, then shutting off the engine and letting it cool down, then starting it up again and trying it again. I'd bet it wouldn't have made it to the million mile mark regardless of the type of oil used.
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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:56 pm

Question regarding the 2016 mid year change. Does the 2016 S trim level get the 6.6Kw charger? Also, if I utilize any sort of Level 2 plug chademo or ev charger style plug is that a quick charge type?

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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:17 pm

TheDon wrote:Question regarding the 2016 mid year change. Does the 2016 S trim level get the 6.6Kw charger? Also, if I utilize any sort of Level 2 plug chademo or ev charger style plug is that a quick charge type?


AFAIK the S only has the 6.6kw charger if the Charge Package is present. The L-2 port is NOT "quick charge." That is a separate, larger port, immediately to the left of the (L-1/L-2) J-1772 port. So if a Leaf S has only one charging port, it has the 3.3kw onboard charger.
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Re: Considering a leaf

Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:59 pm

There appears to be no change with respect to onboard charger for 2017 models, presumably 2016 would be same:

https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars ... ons-specs/

So, like for previous years, what LeftieBiker said is correct, S base model does not have 6.6 kw charger, unless the optional charge package is included (also includes CHADEMO quick charge).
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Re: Considering a leaf

Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:50 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
TheDon wrote:Question regarding the 2016 mid year change. Does the 2016 S trim level get the 6.6Kw charger? Also, if I utilize any sort of Level 2 plug chademo or ev charger style plug is that a quick charge type?

...
The L-2 port is NOT "quick charge." That is a separate, larger port, immediately to the left of the (L-1/L-2) J-1772 port.

Yep.

And visual aids are at viewtopic.php?p=490443#p490443 for my vehicle WITHOUT CHAdeMO inlet and a pointer to pic WITH CHAdeMO inlet.

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Re: Considering a leaf

Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:18 am

Ok cool. I get it now.

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