RonSwanson
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:12 am

Leafspy shows battery at 55 ahr is this too low for this one showing 12 bars?

alozzy
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:32 am

What does Leaf Spy show for %SOH?

A brand new Leaf has 66 AHr, so 55 AHr isn't great (83% of new).

Given the AHr value, it will drop a capacity bar very soon and the SOH should be between 80 -90%. If it's showing over 90% then the BMS has likely been reset.

The one on CarMax has the advantage of coming from a cooler climate. You're likely going to have a hard time finding a really healthy battery in a Leaf that's lived out it's life in LA.
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alozzy
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:33 am

Post the Leaf Spy screenshot if you can - the one where SOH is shown at the top and a bar graph shows in the lower portion
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
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After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

RonSwanson
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:44 am

This one lived it's life (3 year lease) in the Bay Area in a much cooler climate than where I'm at. Here's the leafspy. I had to take a pic since my tablet is ancient and it wasn't working great. Took many times to get these numbers.

http://imgur.com/wenTHq0

A couple other things. I couldn't do a 25% test drive. The traffic was horrible so we went a few miles only and that took forever. Also they didn't fully charge it either. It looked to be 3/4 the way full or a bit more (forgot to check :( ) and it was showing a 60 mile range.

It does indeed have a quick charger and newish tires. The cheapest they'd go is $6900 + tax title and all that or about $7800 out the door. I say I had to consult my team of experts.

alozzy
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:55 am

Yeah, I'd pass on the car you provided the Leaf Spy screenshot of. You should be able to find one in better shape.

Note, for the 25% range test, any state of starting charge will do...

For instance, suppose the SOC is 67% when you start, then you would drive until the SOC is 42%. If the trip counter was 20 miles after doing that, then your expected full range would be 20 x 4 = 80 miles +/- 10%. That's in addition to checking the SOH and AHr using Leaf Spy, to see if the numbers make sense. I think a BMS reset is enough of a concern that you really need to do the driving test nowadays.
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
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LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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RonSwanson
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:58 am

I'd have done the driving test if possible. It would have probably taken a couple hours.

pmc
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:01 am

RonSwanson wrote:I'd prefer to find one in my area (LA Area). Not sure how fun a 400 mile drive would be in a car with 75 mile range. :D


I just did 200 miles after buying mine. It was a hoot. :roll:

Met some nice people though! Friendly folks charging their Tesla's at the Hy Vee, and two very nice folks let me charge at their L2 home chargers. Even cooked me dinner!
2013 SV (6.6kw, no QC) - purchased used 4/2017
JuiceBox 40 Pro .. man, this thing charges fast!

alozzy
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:14 am

When I purchased my Leaf in Seattle, I took a one way trip on Amtrak from Vancouver to Seattle, then drove the Leaf home. Amtrak would be an option for the OP to do same.

He'd want to buy a Leaf with the QC package as otherwise the trip would take forever. I would QC every 50-60 miles, going to 80% charge each time if it were me. Probably 7-8 QC charges, 40 mins each, so 4 hours of charging and 6 hours driving. Doable in a day, but everything has to go right. He'd likely find a 2013 Leaf in SF bay area with an SOH in the 90% - 95% range.
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

RonSwanson
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:32 pm

Back to the drawing board. Sigh :(

alozzy
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Re: Considering leaf - so many questions!

Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:54 pm

You should be happy though, as you did your homework and so you didn't get stuck with a Leaf with a not so great battery.

There was recently a guy on the forums who, like the rest of us who purchased a used Leaf, relied on Leaf Spy when making a purchasing decision. He got burned, as over the last month or so the BMS relearned the real state of the battery pack - it appears that his car had the BMS reset.

Unfortunately, the assumption among forum members was that AHr, as reported by Leaf Spy, was a reliable stat - that now seems to be inaccurate. In other words, an unscrupulous dealer can reset the BMS, making a Leaf with a lousy battery look like it has 12 bars and a healthy Leaf Spy report (SOH, AHr).

That's why I encourage you to do the 25% range test (if possible) as a means of verifying what Leaf Spy reports vs what the actual approximate range is under normal driving conditions. It's well worth the time to drive 20 or so miles to get some confidence that a BMS reset hasn't been done to the car...
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

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