hackdroot
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:01 pm

alozzy wrote:FYI, if you can pickup a used 2013 SV (April manu date or later) for around $8000 then your car loan payments on a 4 year would be around $180 or so. On a 5 year, about $145


I found a 2014 yesterday I was going to test drive (SL with 27k). $8000 before fees. After 2k down a 48mo at 3.99% works out to be about $160.
2013 Leaf SL (12/2013) + Premium package 31,000 miles - 58.8AHr - 89%SOH

alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:24 pm

Sounds perfect.

FYI, review this post as there's a decent buyers guide based on the posts in it:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23775

In particular, try to do the "25% discharge test" to verify Leaf Spy metrics.

Definitely buy a OBD2 dongle online before you test drive prospective Leafs, then learn from these forums what the metrics mean (SOH, AHr, Hx are the most important).

Just don't rely exclusively on Leaf Spy as indications are that it can't protect you from an unscrupulous dealer who has performed a BMS reset.

If you find a Leaf that looks promising, start a new thread in this same subforum and provide the following details:

  • Year and trim level (S, SV, SL)
  • VIN number
  • Capacity bars showing on dash
  • QC package?
  • Date of manufacture (April of 2013 or newer is ideal)
  • SOH, AHr, and Hx from Leaf Spy
  • Where it was first sold (on door pillar sticker)
  • Results of 25% discharge test (reset trip counter, note starting %SOC, drive until %SOC drops by 25%, note trip miles and multiply that by 4), if you are able to do that
  • Price

Also, lookup the original sales sticker using this link:

http://cpo.nissanusa.com/nna/?

Just append the VIN to the end of that URL and, with luck, you'll see a PDF of the original sales sticker in your browser - doesn't work for all Leafs though.

Good luck!
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:06 pm

Date of manufacture (April of 2013 or newer is ideal)


This needs to be more strongly worded. As in "Don't buy a 2013 Leaf built before April of 2013, unless it already qualifies, or is about to qualify, for a new battery pack." The early builds just lose capacity too fast, especially in warmer climates. It should also be understood that ALL Leafs built before 4/13 have the inferior battery chemistry. The 2011-2012 Leafs have only Japanese build quality to argue for them.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:33 am

Lots of people drive 2011/2012 Leafs and choose to do so knowing the battery pack is inferior, there's no point in being prescriptive.

So, despite the fact that you and I would only buy a post April 2013, that doesn't mean no one else should buy an older model. They just need to be informed when choosing to do so and adjust their range expectations accordingly. 2011/2012 models in particular represent a different price point and therefore a different buyer.
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
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After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:24 am

alozzy wrote:Lots of people drive 2011/2012 Leafs and choose to do so knowing the battery pack is inferior, there's no point in being prescriptive.

So, despite the fact that you and I would only buy a post April 2013, that doesn't mean no one else should buy an older model. They just need to be informed when choosing to do so and adjust their range expectations accordingly. 2011/2012 models in particular represent a different price point and therefore a different buyer.


I didn't suggest that no one buy a Japan-built Leaf. I was suggesting that no one should buy an early '13 Leaf unless it will get a free pack. I also said that the 2011-2012 Leafs have to have the inferior pack weighed against the superior build quality. That isn't a blanket dismissal of the Japan-built Leafs.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:09 am

Thought this was pretty unambiguous

Don't buy a 2013 Leaf built before April of 2013, unless it already qualifies, or is about to qualify, for a new battery pack.
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

LeftieBiker
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:28 am

alozzy wrote:Thought this was pretty unambiguous

Don't buy a 2013 Leaf built before April of 2013, unless it already qualifies, or is about to qualify, for a new battery pack.


It is, but it applies only to the 2013, which was built in Tennessee. It doesn't apply directly to the Japan builds.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:28 am

Oh sorry, gotcha! Thought you were referring to 2011/2012 models too
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:50 am

This is pretty funny:

Image

This 4 passenger electric golf cart sells for $7,495 US, listed on a Sacramento reseller's website.

Let me think...

Nissan Leaf, or golf cart. Hmm...

Really puts how cheap these used Leafs are into perspective :)
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

hackdroot
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:52 pm

Well, the '14 was sold by the time I checked on it.Found a '13 SL with 26,220 miles for $7995. The photos show full bars, but I located my ELM227 BT interface and will be taking it with me tomorrow for the test drive. The Carfax report shows manufactured on 12/03/2013 and sold on 1/4/2014, so hopefully it's a late model. I'll check the doorjam when I get there.


Next step is figuring out my charging setup wiring: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=23819
2013 Leaf SL (12/2013) + Premium package 31,000 miles - 58.8AHr - 89%SOH

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