EVDrive
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:29 am

Yes, possible. Nope, not practical.

I would not recommend a 52 mile commute with a 24kWh pack used Leaf to anyone. You could likely do it if your pack is like new, but it won't be fun and you'll be white knuckle driving the whole way especially in the winter. I did a 100 mile daily commute with charging at work for 3 years and it was stressful and no fun at all except for the satisfaction of driving an EV. You will likely hit low battery warning or very low battery warning constantly, perhaps daily like I did (2x a day for me). Especially when you use extra energy like when it's cold or raining (wipers and headlights) or at night with headlights or god forbid you want to use the heater to warm yourself or drive over 50mph or stop by the store on the way home etc...

If you had a 30-40 mile commute, ok used Leaf sure.

Why not look for a good deal on a 30kWh pack Leaf so you don't have to suffer? $2,500 state rebate, $7,500 federal tax credit. Or a good lease deal???

Definitely get an EV. Let us know what you decide :)
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estomax
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:20 am

I am up north a bit in Seattle but i also have a 52 mile round trip commute and i have had no problems with my 93% SOH 2013 Leaf in the 3 months that i had the car. As it gets warmer outside it is getting even easier, my SOH has gone up to 95% now even.

You said you already have the BT adapter so make sure the SOH is 90%+ before buying any car.

I only charge at work (and home on the weekends) and usually get home and back to work in the morning with 15-25 miles of range left (depending on how cold it is and how good the traffic is, i will drive 65-70 if the traffic lets me, but i probably average 30-50 mph).

per what the car tells me, i leave work with 80-85 miles of range and get home with 60-65, and then arrive back at work the next morning with 15-25 (there is less traffic in the morning and it's colder so range drops faster then). i apologize for the unscientific numbers but i haven't done any leafspy recording for actual KWH used. Per the car i am averaging right on 4.0 kwh/mile.

hope this gives you some real world comparison
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VitaminJ
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:31 am

Like I said earlier I commute minimum 70 miles a day over hilly terrain on a single charge as long as it's over 50F, most days I add 5 - 10 miles on lunch break. On my return leg I climb and end up about 600ft above my workplace, but have to clear about 1200ft of elevation gain 5 miles from home. Yes, I hit LBW pretty much every day, but not always. Sometimes I hit VLBW. I can charge at work but only do it when the weather requires or if I drive a lot that day for work reasons. It pretty much requires L2 at home otherwise you won't have 100% when you leave in the morning. In order to not be able to drive 52 miles on a 12 bar '13 you would need to drive at 2.7 mi/kwh or worse, which would be an accomplishment in itself at the OP's maximum of 55mph and living in CA.
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BillHolz
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:46 am

I concur with VitaminJ, a 52 mile RT commute is very doable in a 24 KWH Leaf. I have been doing it in my 2015SV for almost a year. I do not hit LBW unless I do major additional driving after work. I do most of my commute at 60-65MPH.
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alozzy
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:59 am

Based on his signature, EVDrive had a 2011 Leaf, which likely explains why he's not recommending a 50 mile commute due to his own experiences.

A 2013 SV or newer should be OK though, even with a 24kWh pack, unless there was a huge elevation gain (not the case for the OP) and/or extreme weather.
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WetEV
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:40 am

I mostly wouldn't recommend a 52 mile commute with a 24kWh(21kWh usable) LEAF.

Not without at least some warnings over range loss due to weather, range loss due to battery capacity loss and unexpected events like the main route home closed for some reason.

Weather varies a lot from day to day, and climate (long term history of weather) varies a lot from place to place. In Ft McMurray, Alberta, Canada, cold weather is likely to put a real dent in range (record low -53C or -64 F). On the other hand, in Florida USA cold weather isn't likely to much impact on range. Wind, rain, snow, slush and such all have a variable impact, both day to day and from place to place.

Wind can have a significant impact. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23789

Weather, then add in a battery that is near the usual end of life, a 10 mile detour due to a bridge out or some other event, and you will not complete the trip without a charge stop. Once might be OK. Daily could become a problem.
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hackdroot
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:53 pm

Well, I drove way out to test drive a leaf only to have issues using LeafSpy. I walked away since there were two warning flags: manufacturer date of 4/2013 and 11/2 bars. Without the LS data, I wasn't rolling the dice and rolled home instead.

Started a new thread in case I was doing something stupid that others could benefit from:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23823
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:09 pm

I walked away since there were two warning flags: manufacturer date of 4/2013 and 11/2 bars.


That's one warning flag, not two. A few people here keep getting this wrong, and the wrong info then floats around like a cold virus, but ONCE AGAIN:

January through MARCH builds in 2013 use the old battery chemistry. BEGINNING IN APRIL the newer chemistry was used, and it's fine. I drive an April 2013 build with 12 bars, Cwerdna drives one too. The change happened IN APRIL, not after April.

Cwerdna thinks it's unclear exactly what day it happened, but I believe that since we have seen no April builds losing capacity too fast, and no March builds that don't, that the change was implemented April 1, 2013. Sort of an April Fool's Day joke in reverse...
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estomax
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:17 pm

definately hold out for a 12 bar car. hope you get the leafspy to work, maybe there is one of us near you that can let you plug into their leaf to test it.
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cwerdna
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Re: 52 mile round trip commute possible/practical on '13-'14 SV

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
I walked away since there were two warning flags: manufacturer date of 4/2013 and 11/2 bars.


That's one warning flag, not two. A few people here keep getting this wrong, and the wrong info then floats around like a cold virus, but ONCE AGAIN:

January through MARCH builds in 2013 use the old battery chemistry. BEGINNING IN APRIL the newer chemistry was used, and it's fine. I drive an April 2013 build with 12 bars, Cwerdna drives one too. The change happened IN APRIL, not after April.

Cwerdna thinks it's unclear exactly what day it happened, but I believe that since we have seen no April builds losing capacity too fast, and no March builds that don't, that the change was implemented April 1, 2013. Sort of an April Fool's Day joke in reverse...

Actually, I drive a May 2013 built car.

I also posted at viewtopic.php?p=483484#p483484 what Autocheck and Carfax say for the manufacture date of my car.

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