alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:42 pm

Man, we were way off :lol:
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LeftieBiker
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:01 pm

cwerdna wrote:
alozzy wrote:Pretty sure the EPA range was 75 miles, but based on 90% discharge. So, you're right - 83 miles.

It's 84 miles at 100% charge on a '13:
http://insideevs.com/2013-nissan-leaf-r ... ld-system/
http://insideevs.com/2014-nissan-leaf-m ... -84-miles/
LeftieBiker wrote:What was the most common speed on that range test? It can't have been fast, because the EPA range rating when new was 83 miles, IIRC.

See https://priuschat.com/threads/car-and-d ... tes.67235/ for pointers to info about the EPA tests. Click thru the tabs at https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml, keeping in mind it's not done on a real road.

Other background info and discussion about how the test was performed on '11 Leafs: viewtopic.php?t=2433.


No, I meant to ask what the speed used for the above, private test was estimated to be.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:09 am

The speed varied because when I started, it was stop and go traffick during rush hour. The second half, the road cleared up, so it was more consistent. It didn't seem to make a difference. My max speed was 50mph. I'm really stoked that the test drive was successful! Thank you so much to everyone who gave their input. :D

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:14 am

alozzy wrote:Man, we were way off :lol:

Thank you for suggesting the long test drive.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:18 am

You bet, glad it gave you the peace of mind to make your decision.
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

LeftieBiker
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:19 pm

That sounds like an average speed of about 30-35MPH. Tony' range chart should show the range of a new Leaf at that speed. I would guess that the car has roughly 80% of original capacity remaining.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:25 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:That sounds like an average speed of about 30-35MPH. Tony' range chart should show the range of a new Leaf at that speed. I would guess that the car has roughly 80% of original capacity remaining.

I forgot to mention that the average temperature was about 50°, so that would affect it by about 7%?

SageBrush
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:18 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:That sounds like an average speed of about 30-35MPH. Tony' range chart should show the range of a new Leaf at that speed. I would guess that the car has roughly 80% of original capacity remaining.
You cannot take the arithmetic mean of speeds and apply Tony's chart with much accuracy because aero losses are proportional to the square of speed.

Look at this algebra example for aero losses:

Imagine equal time at speeds of x and 2x
Total aero forces are x^2 and 4x^2 for 50% of the trip each, = 2.5X^2

Average Speed is 1.5x, so aero losses are 2.25X^2
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

LeftieBiker
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:10 pm

Since I didn't even look at the range chart, I wasn't applying any arithmetic. I was making a guesstimate, based on my own largely lower speed driving. I think it's a safe bet that the car doesn't still have an EPA range of 80+ miles.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:30 pm

I'll keep posting soh updates here whenever it changes on Leafspy. Bottom line is the way I drove it on the test drive is how I'll be driving it back and forth to work, so as long as I have the range, that's ultimately what matters to me.

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