natkra90
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18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:43 pm

I'm looking at buying a Used Nissan leaf in a few days. I found two Leafs in my area that I think are good values. Both are 2013 S models with 12 bars. The only real difference is the price and mileage. Does the mileage really matter if the batteries have depreciated the same? I would do an extended test drive (25% capacity x 4) to make sure there's no gimmicks and also check with Leafspy. Even if there's a 10% difference in SOH, it's hard to justify paying an extra 13%. Any advice is appreciated.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:38 pm

My personal opinion is that the mileage is irrelevant, other than perhaps a minimal difference in wear on suspension components, brakes, etc. Having said that, driving style has a lot more influence on those than mileage and it's hard to tell if a car has been driven hard or not.

All other things being equal, I would definitely save the $1000 and buy the higher mileage Leaf. In fact, that's exactly what I did - I bought mine with 46K miles, but with a battery in excellent condition.
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:10 pm

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

What's the build month on these? It's found on the driver's side door sticker. Where did the cars resided before (found via Carfax and/or Autocheck).

Do these have the charge package (adds CHAdeMO inlet and upgrades OBC to 6.x kW)? If not, neither of these are good prices.

The EV system/powertrain warranty is 5 years/60K miles, so the higher mileage one is almost at the end of that.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:56 pm

alozzy wrote:My personal opinion is that the mileage is irrelevant, other than perhaps a minimal difference in wear on suspension components, brakes, etc. Having said that, driving style has a lot more influence on those than mileage and it's hard to tell if a car has been driven hard or not.

All other things being equal, I would definitely save the $1000 and buy the higher mileage Leaf. In fact, that's exactly what I did - I bought mine with 46K miles, but with a battery in excellent condition.


Thanks for the response. I probably will do the same. How is it working out for you?

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:09 pm

cwerdna wrote:What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

What's the build month on these? It's found on the driver's side door sticker. Where did the cars resided before (found via Carfax and/or Autocheck).

Do these have the charge package (adds CHAdeMO inlet and upgrades OBC to 6.x kW)? If not, neither of these are good prices.

The EV system/powertrain warranty is 5 years/60K miles, so the higher mileage one is almost at the end of that.


They're both built after April, and they both have been in Chicagoland the whole time. The higher mileage one is Nissan Certified, so the powertrain warranty will be covered another 7 years/100,000 miles. The battery warranty would be the only point of concern for me with the 55k Leaf.

The 18k does not have L3 charging. The 55k does. I don't think that's going to be too much of a concern for me because it's going to be a 2nd car for going back and forth to work. Right now a round trip is 30 miles, but I could be transferred where my daily commute could get up to 40 miles. It's pretty much only city driving, and I think all of my charging will be at home.

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:11 pm

I totally lucked out as the battery is still 94% SOH and the mileage is now over 50k. Paid $8000 for SV + QC package, which I thought was a great deal. After spending time on these forums, I've learned that the PNW is the perfect climate for a Leaf as very few WA Leafs seem to have battery issues.

If you append the VIN of the Leads you are interested in to this URL:

http://cpo.nissanusa.com/nna/?

Then you might get lucky and be able to view the original sales sticker, as that will show the trim level, any add on packages (ie QC), and I think it includes the date of manufacture too. If not, that's on the door pillar
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alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:13 pm

Was composing while you posted, ignore my comments on date of manufacture and location :-)

FYI, the QC package seems to be worth about $750 - $1000 in the used market
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alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:15 pm

FWIW, $7500 for an S with QC is pretty good if the battery is also in good shape. Like I said, I paid $7995 for a 2013 SV + QC with 46k miles, but WA is a different market.
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:46 pm

alozzy wrote:I totally lucked out as the battery is still 94% SOH and the mileage is now over 50k. Paid $8000 for SV + QC package, which I thought was a great deal. After spending time on these forums, I've learned that the PNW is the perfect climate for a Leaf as very few WA Leafs seem to have battery issues.
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FYI, the QC package seems to be worth about $750 - $1000 in the used market
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FWIW, $7500 for an S with QC is pretty good if the battery is also in good shape. Like I said, I paid $7995 for a 2013 SV + QC with 46k miles, but WA is a different market.


Wow. That's a home run. Hopefully I can luck out too. I'm not expecting 94% because we have warmer days here, but anywhere close to that would be great.

I might be able to get the dealership to go lower on the vehicle too because the high miles will deter buyers. I'll probably ask for $6500 and see where we end up. I'm not planning on reselling it, but who knows what will happen. Can't go wrong with extra value having the QC.

Thanks for your feedback. I think it will make my decision much easier.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:30 pm

Good luck!
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

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