natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:58 am

alozzy wrote:If you can live with the interior space limitations, the 500e has a temp controlled (coolant heat/cool) 24 kWh pack with similar torque and kw output motor, but being lighter it's probably a little quicker. I would think battery degradation in more extreme climates would be much less of a problem.

Definitely worth a test drive, if you can find one (think they were only sold in CA)


There's actually as many used 500e available
at that price range as there are used Leafs in Chicagoland. Not sure how that happened, but I'm game. I'm going to test drive both tomorrow.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:18 pm

I guess they started selling the 500e across the US then. I'm Canadian, it was never sold here AFAIK
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After market, DIY LED DRLs
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alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:42 pm

FYI, before you buy a 500e, I would call around dealers in Chicago to see if anyone has the equipment and is certified to work specifically on 500es. For liability reasons, most dealers won't work on vehicles if they don't have a certified tech to do the work.
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:49 pm

alozzy wrote:FYI, before you buy a 500e, I would call around dealers in Chicago to see if anyone has the equipment and is certified to work specifically on 500es. For liability reasons, most dealers won't work on vehicles if they don't have a certified tech to do the work.

There's one about 45 miles from me that will service it with an L2 charger nearby. Its an inconvenience, but doable.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:56 pm

Nice to have options :D
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

SageBrush
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:20 pm

natkra90 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:OP: 5% degradation a year is meant to cover a broad range of ownership experiences. If you know that you will baby the car when driving, keep it in the shade in the summer, and avoid charging routines known to accelerate battery aging, you are *probably* safe in presuming a slower rate of aging.

To be frank, your OP suggested limited funds and in that context I encouraged you to be conservative in your estimates and not take on risk and uncertainty you do not want. I realize that you want an EV and I wish you the best, but getting saddled with debt and a car that cannot meet your driving needs in a few short years -- EV or not -- sucks.

I understand there are risks involved. Worst case scenario, if it lasts three years, I won't be over my head, and will be in the same position as I would have been leasing. I like the potential to be able to make this last 5 years. Having said that, do you think the 500e would last longer?

The difference between three and five years could be a starting difference of 10% in SoC. That was the original point I wanted to convey. Are you willing to drive with minimal heating in the winter ? That would extend the LEAF's useful life considerably for your use case.
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Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:30 pm

SageBrush wrote:The difference between three and five years could be a starting difference of 10% is SoC. That was the original point I wanted to convey. Are you willing to drive with minimal heating in the winter ? That would extend the LEAF's useful life considerably for your use case.

My old car didn't have a working heater, so I'm already used to driving with no heat. I'd probably just use heated seats/heated steering. I probably won't pull the trigger on the 55k leaf unless I get at least 90% Soh or they offer me a deal I can't turn down.

SageBrush
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:42 pm

natkra90 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:The difference between three and five years could be a starting difference of 10% is SoC. That was the original point I wanted to convey. Are you willing to drive with minimal heating in the winter ? That would extend the LEAF's useful life considerably for your use case.

My old car didn't have a working heater, so I'm already used to driving with no heat. I'd probably just use heated seats/heated steering. I probably won't pull the trigger on the 55k leaf unless I get at least 90% Soh or they offer me a deal I can't turn down.

I'm not sure that all models have heated steering and seats. That is something to be sure of before you buy. I live in Colorado and rely on the heat seating and gloves. It works OK for us although our feet are cold and uncomfortable after an hour drive. You also have to think about defroster use which is a huge energy drain.

Is the car parked outside ?
Can you pre-heat the car with at least 3.3 kW electricity before a drive ?
Do you have to run the defroster while driving to keep the glass clear ? I actually ventilate the car with a small flow of cold outside air in the winter but that of course makes the cabin cooler and may not even work for your climate.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:52 pm

SageBrush wrote:I'm not sure that all models have heated steering and seats. That is something to be sure of before you buy. I live in Colorado and rely on the heat seating and gloves. It works OK for us although our feet are cold and uncomfortable after an hour drive. You also have to think about defroster use which is a huge energy drain. Is the car parked outside ? Do you have to run the defroster while driving to keep the glass clear ? I actually ventilate the car with a small flow of cold outside air in the winter but that of course makes the cabin cooler and may not even work for your climate.

The car would be parked in the garage overnight, and outside when at work. I used to just roll down the front passenger window a little to keep the windshield from fogging. I could resort to that again if necessary. I'll have to double check the heated steering tomorrow when I test drive it.

LeftieBiker
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:03 pm

The heated seats and steering wheel were optional in 2011, but became standard some time in 2012 and are definitely standard on all 2013 models/trims. The 2013 cars also have better heaters, including the S - that heater still uses lots of power but it heats fast and you can turn it off and use just the blower as needed. (I still would not recommend an S in any cold climate except for very short trip use only.)
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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