cwerdna
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:44 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The heated seats and steering wheel were optional in 2011, but became standard some time in 2012 and are definitely standard on all 2013 models/trims. The 2013 cars also have better heaters, including the S - that heater still uses lots of power but it heats fast and you can turn it off and use just the blower as needed. (I still would not recommend an S in any cold climate except for very short trip use only.)

Per http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/19/2012 ... equipment/ and http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit, they should be standard on all '12 models. And yes, they remained standard from '13 onward. But on on '16, they started skimping again w/no rear heated seats unless you got the SL.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:10 pm

I test drove the 55k Leaf and the 500e today. For some reason, I couldn't get a proper reading with LeafSpy. I drove it from 100% down to 67%, and got 22.3 miles on it in the city. Based on those numbers, the range should be at 66.9 miles making the battery at approximately 80% soh, but it still has 12 bars. I'm very confused by these numbers.


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The 500e estimated to have a 73 mile range after an extended test drive making its approximate soh 83.5%. I'm not sold on it either since the negotiated price was $7900.

Overall, I liked the Leaf better. It felt more like a real car than the 500e. I just don't want to pull the trigger if there's something fishy with the battery.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:17 pm

For a Leaf with 55k miles on it, a SOH of 100% and AHr of 67 are both too high to be believed. This has to be a Leaf that the BMS was reset on, particularly in light of the drive test you did. Or it's the best battery that Nissan has ever produced.

Having developed a healthy skepticism in my 47 years, I would say the BMS was reset.

I personally wouldn't buy that car.
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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:30 pm

alozzy wrote:For a Leaf with 55k miles on it, a SOH of 100% and AHr of 67 are both too high to be believed. This has to be a Leaf that the BMS was reset on, particularly in light of the drive test you did. Or it's the best battery that Nissan has ever produced.

Having developed a healthy skepticism in my 47 years, I would say the BMS was reset.

I personally wouldn't buy that car.

Would a BMS reset make the Leaf have 12 bars? It could be my scanner. I've only used it on that Leaf.

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:34 pm

Based on the screenshot you posted, LeafSpy seems to be reading the BMS stats via your OBD2 dongle just fine.

A BMS reset will temporarily reset the battery stats to factory defaults, which is what Leaf Spy is showing - a perfect battery. So yes, 12 bars, 100% SOH, etc.

Honestly, walk away from that one - too risky.
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
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LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:37 pm

alozzy wrote:Based on the screenshot you posted, LeafSpy seems to be reading the BMS stats via your OBD2 dongle just fine.

A BMS reset will temporarily reset the battery stats to factory defaults, which is what Leaf Spy is showing - a perfect battery. So yes, 12 bars, 100% SOH, etc.

Honestly, walk away from that one - too risky.

OK. Thanks for the warning.

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:38 pm

Whoever buys that car may see the Leaf Spy stats drop like a stone over the next few weeks if it was reset, as the BMS learns the real battery health (which, if reset, is probably an SOH of 80 something percent).
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Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:40 pm

Just noticed that the cells are pretty unbalanced too, based on the bar graph.
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Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:42 pm

As a warning to other potential buyers, I would post the VIN # here
Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Big grin, enjoying my first BEV :D

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:46 pm

alozzy wrote:As a warning to other potential buyers, I would post the VIN # here

1N4AZ0CP0DC414859

Looks like the Leaf may not be an option for me until more of them hit the market. :(

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