alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:21 pm

It's up to you, of course, whether you want to take the risk of ending up with a Leaf that may have an actual SOH of 80% or so.

Only you can decide if the gamble is worth it.
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:32 pm

alozzy wrote:Based on the screenshot you posted, LeafSpy seems to be reading the BMS stats via your OBD2 dongle just fine.

A BMS reset will temporarily reset the battery stats to factory defaults, which is what Leaf Spy is showing - a perfect battery. So yes, 12 bars, 100% SOH, etc.

Honestly, walk away from that one - too risky.

I tend to agree. Unless we have other stats from folks in the Chicago area w/a similar build month and similar or lower mileage w/stats that good, I also suspect a BMS reset.
alozzy wrote:Just noticed that the cells are pretty unbalanced too, based on the bar graph.

12 mV isn't a big imbalance at all. I see bigger imbalances on my car at midpoints in terms of % SoC.

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natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:36 pm

alozzy wrote:It's up to you, of course, whether you want to take the risk of ending up with a Leaf that may have an actual SOH of 80% or so.

Only you can decide if the gamble is worth it.

I'll have to test my scanner on another Leaf to make sure its not my device. If its at 80% soh, it's not worth it at that price tag. I'll probably have to wait or buy a 500e. Hopefully, a better option will come around. I appreciate your advice.

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:39 pm

cwerdna wrote:
alozzy wrote:Based on the screenshot you posted, LeafSpy seems to be reading the BMS stats via your OBD2 dongle just fine.

A BMS reset will temporarily reset the battery stats to factory defaults, which is what Leaf Spy is showing - a perfect battery. So yes, 12 bars, 100% SOH, etc.

Honestly, walk away from that one - too risky.

I tend to agree. Unless we have other stats from folks in the Chicago area w/a similar build month and similar or lower mileage w/stats that good, I also suspect a BMS reset.
alozzy wrote:Just noticed that the cells are pretty unbalanced too, based on the bar graph.

12 mV isn't a big imbalance at all. I see bigger imbalances on my car at midpoints in terms of % SoC.

What's weird is the GOM said I have another 73 miles left after driving 22. It just doesn't add up.

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:42 pm

When shopping in the PNW, I never once saw a 2013 Leaf with >20k miles and a perfect battery. Lots of >90% SOH packs with equally good AHr, but 100%? That would be unreal for an EV with 55K miles on the odometer. High 90S maybe...

Seems hard to believe that IL would be a more favorable climate for EVs than WA. Seattle is right in the heart of a temperate rain forest and moderated by cold Pacific water too.
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alozzy
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:46 pm

Maybe the dealer would let you drive it for a day. You could drive from 100% charge to low battery warning, which would be more accurate. Just be really careful with this one.
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:50 pm

alozzy wrote:When shopping in the PNW, I never once saw a 2013 Leaf with >20k miles and a perfect battery. Lots of >90% SOH packs with equally good AHr, but 100%? That would be unreal for an EV with 55K miles on the odometer. High 90S maybe...

Seems hard to believe that IL would be a more favorable climate for EVs than WA. Seattle is right in the heart of a temperate rain forest and moderated by cold Pacific water too.

I agree. It just doesn't add up.

natkra90
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:54 pm

alozzy wrote:Maybe the dealer would let you drive it for a day. You could drive from 100% charge to low battery warning, which would be more accurate. Just be really careful with this one.

I might do that. They did ask me if I wanted to take it for a few hours. I didn't think it would be necessary, but that may be the only way I'd consider making the purchase.

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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:02 am

natkra90 wrote:
alozzy wrote:Maybe the dealer would let you drive it for a day. You could drive from 100% charge to low battery warning, which would be more accurate. Just be really careful with this one.

I might do that. They did ask me if I wanted to take it for a few hours. I didn't think it would be necessary, but that may be the only way I'd consider making the purchase.

Shoot for an extended, r/t drive at 60 mph on a secondary highway on a temperate day without wind so that vehicle efficiency will be about 4 miles a kWh

You don't have to start or end at any particular SoC, just note the difference. The full battery range will be
Distance_driven/difference

Example:
r/t started at 90% Soc
30 miles driven
50% end SoC

Full charge range: 30/0.4 = 75 miles
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Re: 18K for $8500 or 55K for $7500?

Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:35 am

alozzy wrote:When shopping in the PNW, I never once saw a 2013 Leaf with >20k miles and a perfect battery.
I agree they will be rare, or this may be the only exception -- my car, raised in the Silicon Valley before my purchase:

https://goo.gl/photos/r87mUu6ybGqZbfUG9
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

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