danthecommuter
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Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:40 am

So in my area used 2014 Nissan Leafs are selling for under 8k. Combine that with cheap insurance (I would get liability only) and the gas savings this strikes me as a very cheap commuting option). I would be happy if I used this car for only my 21 mile (one way) commute, I can re-charge at work, so no real problems with range. The only question is how long will my 8k investment last, until the battery needs replacing and other major problems? I also want to know what to look for in terms of the car itself...so here are my questions:

Does battery wear depend on times charged or mileage or just age?

Have people who owned a Leaf since the beginning experienced other major problems with the car?

Is there any data about how long the battery is expected to last? (I know the warranty, but I assume it will last beyond the warranty)?

Has the battery replacement gotten cheaper over time or pretty much stayed the same?
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:13 pm

You need to tell us where you live, as local climate will have a significant effect on battery life. Put the info in your signature line.
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danthecommuter
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:30 pm

I'm in the Suburbs of Oakland California if that helps, temepratures can get into the hundreds a few days a year, and winters can get into the 30's (and low 20's a few days a year). Car will be kept in a garage at night. But outside on hot work days
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:54 pm

Your climate isn't good for Leaf batteries. I wouldn't buy a 24kwh Leaf expecting it to have lots of range in 5 years. A 30kwh Leaf might work, but again it will be losing substantial capacity, relatively quickly. You may want to look into leasing a Volt or Bolt, as they have battery cooling.
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:05 pm

FWIW, the Fiat 500e also has actively temp managed (liquid cooled) battery pack, price point and range are similar to Leaf.
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:42 pm

From what I've read, though, the Fiat isn't extremely reliable, the EV conversion isn't that well designed, and it isn't a good candidate for long-term ownership. Fiat/Chrysler will drop them like hot potatoes as soon as they legally can.
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:46 pm

In that case, are there any used BEVs, close to the same price point as a Leaf, that are worth considering? I've not heard good things about the Chevy Spark EV either...
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:02 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Your climate isn't good for Leaf batteries. I wouldn't buy a 24kwh Leaf expecting it to have lots of range in 5 years. A 30kwh Leaf might work, but again it will be losing substantial capacity, relatively quickly. You may want to look into leasing a Volt or Bolt, as they have battery cooling.


So all these leafs in so cal will be pretty worthless in a few years? I see tons of 13s floating around that have 11 or 12 bars that spent their entire lives in Southern California. How many bars do you think a 13+ Leaf will have after five years in a hot climate since many are almost four years old and have 11/12?

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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:07 pm

I honestly think it's anybody's guess. Probably even Nissan doesn't know for sure.

If the improved battery chemistry truly is better than the 2011/2012 model years then maybe a 12 bar 2013 Leaf today will still have 10 bars in 4 or 5 years.

Your guess is likely just as good as anyone else's...
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Re: Considering used Nissan Leaf how long will it last?

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:57 pm

It really depends on how hot the packs get, and for how long and how often. A garaged late build '13 that isn't parked outside on hot days might have 11 or even 12 bars in 5 years. A similar car kept like yours would be would probably have 10. An early build '13 might be down to 8 or even 7.
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