LeftieBiker
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 1:45 pm

SageBrush wrote:If you are price sensitive then think twice about the higher trim choices. You get very little for your money.


That is entirely a matter of opinion. I wouldn't buy a Leaf without Premium Package, and I wouldn't buy an S even if I didn't need the extra range provided by the heatpump. I could actually lease an S30 now, but I have no interest in doing so. One person's worthless options are another's necessities.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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SageBrush
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 3:15 pm

Fair enough so far as it goes, but look at the used car LEAF prices. The more expensive trims are about the same price as the base if model year and miles are similar. This is good data to support my contention.

And actually, other than a bigger screen, off the top of my head I cannot think of other differences between the base model and those that cost some $3,000 - $5,000 more.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 3:40 pm

That depends on what you mean by "base model." There are many differences between the S and an SV or SL with premium. In 2013 the S didn't even have cruise control available.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 3:49 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:That depends on what you mean by "base model." There are many differences between the S and an SV or SL with premium. In 2013 the S didn't even have cruise control available.
Cruise control for a local commuter car ?!

I looked up the 2017 model, and have to moderate my opinion somewhat
The base model without QC or 6.6 kW OBC is about $3,500 cheaper,
but that useful feature costs about $1,8000 to add to the base model

The next trim up has QC and the 6.6 kW OBC included as well as Nav and a couple other (in my opinion trivial) differences
So my reading would be another $1,700 for Nav and little else.
You may find Nav in a commuter car for $1,700 to be great value but I certainly do not and I'm willing to guess that you are in the distinct minority.

ymmv
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 4:12 pm

You are yet another person who assumes (like the guy who only uses heat in subzero temps) that his preferences are the universal norm. They are just that - preferences and opinions. I don't tell people that they need Premium Package. I tell them to think about what they, personally, do need. I suggest that you consider doing the same. Most people are not, in fact, you. Or me.

Just as an example: you scoff at using cruise control to commute. Many people (like me) have issues with their legs that make it difficult and uncomfortable to use the accelerator pedal 100% of the time while driving. For us cruise control is a "necessary option."
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 5:25 pm

SageBrush wrote:I looked up the 2017 model, and have to moderate my opinion somewhat
The base model without QC or 6.6 kW OBC is about $3,500 cheaper,
but that useful feature costs about $1,800(0) to add to the base model

The same is true of the late 2016 S model with 30kwh pack. On the other hand, none of the dealers in my area even ordered the S30 model LEAF without the QC package so that was something of a non-discussion. I think Nissan only offered it for bragging rights on the entry level MSRP.
2013 Leaf SV - lease ended, 2016 Leaf S30

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 6:11 pm

I may end up going for a 2015 S with 25k miles and QC for around $10.5K. It seems the S is the most abundant style and so the deals at least in my area are better for used S than used SL or SV.

With an S, I would have to pay to put an EVSE in at my business just like I have to do at my home; so I wouldn't have to worry about running the heat/defogger during cold weather commutes.

Thanks!

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Sun May 07, 2017 7:30 pm

I was looking at similar options as the original posting.
There just were no t that many great deals on the better trim packages in my area.
I purchased a 2016 S for 12K. It is the smaller 24 battery not the 30.

My commute is 27 miles each way, the can do 3 legs between charges, that is a round trip of 55 miles then One way before I have to charge. This will be fine for a couple more years until I can only get the round trip on a charge. Currently charging at home Level 1, and L2 near work a couple times a week.
I would love the QC, larger battery, faster 6.6 charger etc., but I went for what I can afford today, and my goal is to get all those things in three years when the 2016-2017 models come off lease and are a great deal.
2016 S bought used in 2017 with 93% SOH 58 Ah 89 Hx for $12,000
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 2,900 foot elevation climb on the way home.
Calaveras County California

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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Mon May 08, 2017 7:00 am

The temptation to spend money on a newer model year just for that reason is best resisted in a LEAF. The overall miles dictate a lot of the price, while the condition of the car and particularly the battery matter to the owner. I bought a late 2013 MY LEAF a few months ago for $8,300 in N. California. Model 'S' in like new condition, with QC and 6.6 kW OBC at 22k miles.

Informed buyers can get a great LEAF deal theses days, new or used. I did consider waiting for a $10k off deal on a new car but decided against it in part due to my local and personal tax and tax credit situation and the practical lack of much difference/improvement through the years.
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Re: Opinions on this 2015 Leaf SV w/ charging and premium packages

Mon May 08, 2017 7:12 am

I'm quite happy with my '13S but don't really use Cruise or things like car NAV. True the heater does eat up range but if you have work charging you shouldn't have a problem. The only thing I'd really be hard pressed to not have is the S charger package for double speed L2 charging, oh and on the '13S you needed the charger package to get a backup camera. Note the S heater does have one advantage over the heatpump in that it basically heats right away, just like an electric heater, the heatpump takes a minute or two to start heating. Still nowhere near as bad as the '11 and '12 liquid based heaters though, they not only took quite a time to heat, drew lots of current and didn't work all that well. Personally I'd really avoid those years if heat is important to you.
Note to OP, I'd look into using a L6-30 or L14-30 outlet/plug setup for work and maybe even at home. They are much less bulky than the range type 14-50 plug and will fit into a standard single outlet box, and allow you to use a common 120v style in-use outlet cover. I guess if you wanted to have 2 separate EVSEs, one for home the other portable for work, you could hardwire your home EVSE but for flexibility I prefer outlet installations, generally cheaper too. The one issue you might run into is with a 30a outlet your electrician may only want to put it on a 30a circuit. Continuous charging a full 6.6kw Leaf will draw ~27-28a and code says your not supposed to run more than 24a continuous through a 30a breaker, if your EVSE is adjustable you could dial it down to 24a. I regularly charge full rate at work but try and not charge for more than 2-3hrs as the breaker gets "warm" to the touch. Not hot, that would not be good warm should be OK. Also I believe you can purchase 30a continuous rated breakers but they aren't nearly as common and probably quite a bit more expensive than a standard 30/24a breaker.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
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