BuckRimfire
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Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Thu May 11, 2017 11:50 am

As a new shopper for a used Leaf, should I be looking to get a device to connect to the Leaf's computer to get the battery SOH, etc, or is that needlessly nerdy?
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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer?

Thu May 11, 2017 12:31 pm

It is a good idea and a very minor investment. You also need some cheap or free software for a smart phone. I use Leaf Spy Pro. I think that there is still a free version, but the pro version is not very expensive, either.

Alternately, if you are near a Leaf owner who already has this, they may be willing to help you.

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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Thu May 11, 2017 3:46 pm

Jeez, all the devices listed as supported by Leaf Spy have a lot of one-star reviews on Amazon! I'd better buy two or three in hopes of getting one that works!

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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Thu May 11, 2017 5:49 pm

BuckRimfire wrote:Jeez, all the devices listed as supported by Leaf Spy have a lot of one-star reviews on Amazon! I'd better buy two or three in hopes of getting one that works!

Or look through the large LeafSpy thread. I have this OBDII adapter and it works great with my Samsung smart phone, note not for Apple, you need a WiFi adapter to work with Apple and they are a bit more expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PJ ... UTF8&psc=1
It's best to get a recommendation, as you said quite a few seem to have issues for one reason or another.
Note I'd suggest NOT getting Leafspy from Amazon, unless you want to always have the Amazon shopping app on your phone. I downloaded the Amazon App, then the Leafspy program and then deleted the Amazon app as I didn't want it on my phone. Doing so gives me a nag screen every time I launch Leafspy saying I should install the Amazon shopping app :x
Apparently if you get LeafSpy off your phones app store, you don't get any nag screens.
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BuckMkII
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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 7:24 am

OK, I have Leaf Spy Pro on my phone and my LELink ODB2 should arrive today, so I'm all set to go Leaf shopping, possibly this weekend. What battery SOH would you look for as a cutoff?

Or, more complex issue: how would you use SOH to negotiate price with a dealer?
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on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 8:01 am

BuckMkII wrote:OK, I have Leaf Spy Pro on my phone and my LELink ODB2 should arrive today, so I'm all set to go Leaf shopping, possibly this weekend. What battery SOH would you look for as a cutoff?

Or, more complex issue: how would you use SOH to negotiate price with a dealer?


That's a "depends" answer.
If the car is a 3-bar loser with an AHr reading to make it to 4BL (low 40's) and is within the 5 yr/60k mile battery (capacity) warranty period, buy it and get a (free) new battery pack.
Otherwise, I would get the highest Ahr value (not necessarily SOH) you can find; miles don't really matter as much with a Leaf (I'm starting to think they might last forever...if we can keep getting batteries).
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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 11:41 am

Luckily for you, the PNW is the perfect climate for Leafs so you should be able to find one with an SOH in the 90% + range, even as high as 95%.

I bought my Leaf at Paramount Motors NW in Seattle:

http://www.paramountmotorsnw.com/invent ... By=adprice

They usually have several Leafs in stock and Peter (owner) is well versed with Leaf Spy. Their prices are very competitive, but they don't negotiate.

Other options are Edmonds and Everett Nissan as both those dealerships have a large inventory of Leafs:

http://www.campbellnissanofeverett.com/ ... Model/Leaf

http://www.campbellnissanofedmonds.com/ ... Model/Leaf

One of the challenges with PNW Leafs is that they tend to have healthy batteries, but unscrupulous dealers could bring in an out of state Leaf for cheap, reset the BMS counters, then sell it to an unsuspecting buyer. I would encourage you to take it for an extended test drive.

To avoid buying a BMS reset Leaf, arrange for an extended test drive. Reset the trip counter before you start, then drive (ideally, in fairly flat terrain & nice weather) until LeafSpy tells you that the SOC has dropped by 25% (or just monitor the dash % battery display). Multiply the trip counter reading by 4 to get an estimate of total range. If it's not around 80 miles, yet the SOH is over 90%, then be suspicious

See this thread for more details on buying and what to look for (page 4 on has most of the content):

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23775

Also, the "original sticker" trick let's you see the original sales sticker - search on the forums to find that post. A Carfax report should show you the state of origin (buy a WA Leaf only).
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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 11:53 am

Thanks!

What do you tow with that hitch?
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 12:02 pm

Nothing yet, just a bike rack :-) I also bought one of these:
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I'm thinking about renting this trailer for camping:

https://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/Sport-Trailer-Rental/ST/

Guessing it will really limit range if I'm going up hillls though ;)
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

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Re: Diagnostic hardware needed for used Leaf buyer in Seattle??

Wed May 17, 2017 12:34 pm

alozzy wrote:I'm thinking about renting this trailer for camping:

https://www.uhaul.com/Trailers/Sport-Trailer-Rental/ST/

Guessing it will really limit range if I'm going up hillls though ;)

I like the looks of that trailer, but have you actually found any place that rents them :?
I tried looking up my state, nada, then other major US cities but when it brings up trailers it doesn't bring up that small one :x
All I really wanted to do was bring up a price of what it would cost to rent it, but 20 minutes later on U-haul's website and nada :cry:
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