warrenc
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2012 Leaf SL?

Sat May 13, 2017 2:27 pm

I've been keeping an eye on the local market for a few months now, initially looking for a 2013 or newer S or SV model for all the reasons that have been discussed here, but this 2012 SL came up near me at a dealer that I know very well and I think I can get it for a good price.
It's had a blessed life here in the NW and is loaded with almost all the options, including leather. It has 33000 miles on it and shows 12 bars.
I could probably get a 2013 S or maybe a 2014 S for the same price, but for my needs this seems like maybe a better deal? It also has the QC, which I didn't think was even an option on a 2012.
Many of the other cars I find are from California or Georgia, but like I said, this has spent it's whole life locally and has obviously been well cared for. I tried to use Leaf Spy on it, but apparently my OBDII adapter isn't compatible.
I know the batteries in the 2011-12 isn't aren't as good as the newer ones, but considering all the options, being Japanese made and the fact that I know the dealer and salesman well, I'm thinking it might be a better overall deal?
It might travel a maximum of 30 miles a day, BTW.
2013 Leaf SV
Tacoma, WA

GerryAZ
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sat May 13, 2017 4:19 pm

If it has leather, it is aftermarket because 2011 and 2012 came only with recycled plastic cloth interior. Onboard charger is only 3.3 kW so it will take longer to charge than newer cars with 6 kW charger. DCQC port was optional so make sure it has the port if you plan to use quick charging stations.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015

warrenc
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sat May 13, 2017 5:07 pm

I did not know that. If it's aftermarket, it's well done! It does have the QC port, but I doubt that I would ever use it.
So what would be a good price for a 2012 SL?
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GerryAZ
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sat May 13, 2017 5:59 pm

Price really depends upon condition of car, condition of battery, and location. Location is a large factor because some places (like California) have many used LEAFs available while they are scarce in other locations.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015

warrenc
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL Vs. 2013 S?

Sat May 13, 2017 10:26 pm

I should have posted the subject as 2012 SL Vs. 2013 S in the first place, because that's the dilemma I find myself in. I can find a very basic S model in the $6-8K range, but for the same price I can have an earlier SL with all the niceties but an arguably worse battery pack and a lump in the cargo area for the charger.
In my circumstances, I think the SL wins out since I have a very short commute, the 6.6 kw charger would be of little use to me, and I wouldn't get the heat pump unless I found a newer SV which would likely add another $1500 or more to the price.
I think the resale value of these older Leafs will likely plummet even lower in the next few years with the advent of longer range EV's like the Bolt and Model 3. I suppose the smart option might be to wait another year and see what the market does.
Meantime, I've noticed used prices around the Seattle area do seem to be going up lately. Either it's the time of year or the demand for Leafs is actually increasing?
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GerryAZ
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL Vs. 2013 S?

Sat May 13, 2017 11:03 pm

warrenc wrote:I should have posted the subject as 2012 SL Vs. 2013 S in the first place, because that's the dilemma I find myself in. I can find a very basic S model in the $6-8K range, but for the same price I can have an earlier SL with all the niceties but an arguably worse battery pack and a lump in the cargo area for the charger.
In my circumstances, I think the SL wins out since I have a very short commute, the 6.6 kw charger would be of little use to me, and I wouldn't get the heat pump unless I found a newer SV which would likely add another $1500 or more to the price.
I think the resale value of these older Leafs will likely plummet even lower in the next few years with the advent of longer range EV's like the Bolt and Model 3. I suppose the smart option might be to wait another year and see what the market does.
Meantime, I've noticed used prices around the Seattle area do seem to be going up lately. Either it's the time of year or the demand for Leafs is actually increasing?


FWIW, used LEAF prices seem to be increasing in Phoenix also. The 2011/2012 models from Japan have some features missing on later models, but I hesitate to recommend them unless someone has a really short commute or little need for heat/defrost. The electric hot water tank heater system works OK if you preheat while plugged in, but it takes quite a bit of battery power and can be slow to heat. The 2012 has heated seats and steering wheel which would help compared to my 2011. You would probably want the capability of remote climate control if you get the SL so plan on upgrading the telematics unit if it has not already been done. If I knew that range would never be an issue, I would take the 2012. If I needed as much range as possible, I would search for a newer SV or SL with the heat pump system.

The 2011/2012 motors have more torque and the accelerator pedal/control software mapping makes it easier to accelerate quickly from stop lights. The 2011/2012 motors will give you their best acceleration by just flooring the accelerator. My 2015 is almost as fast as the 2011 if I do everything right, but it requires feathering the accelerator instead of just flooring it.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015

SageBrush
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sun May 14, 2017 8:16 am

warrenc wrote:the fact that I know the dealer and salesman well, I'm thinking it might be a better overall deal?

I don't know your salesperson, but I thought you are buying a car ?
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

warrenc
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sun May 14, 2017 10:47 am

SageBrush wrote:
warrenc wrote:the fact that I know the dealer and salesman well, I'm thinking it might be a better overall deal?

I don't know your salesperson, but I thought you are buying a car ?

:lol: I suppose that wasn't the best wording.
I just meant that I've known the salesman for 10 years. I've purchased a couple vehicles from him in that time and sent more than one customer to him. That Chevrolet dealership was sold about 7 years ago, but most of the key players there all moved to this dealer across town and even thought I've never bought anything there, they have all been very good to me. I'm sure he'd love to sell me a new Bolt or a Silverado, but we both know it wouldn't make sense for me.
I just told him to find out what they'll take for it and get back to me. I know when he does it will be the bottom line price, no need to haggle. I appreciate that more as I get older. When I bought my 08 Silverado, I probably spent a total of 15 minutes making the deal. I stopped by a couple years ago, thinking of trading it in on a new one and he talked me out of it.
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jjeff
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sun May 14, 2017 7:24 pm

If you're OK with the potentially lesser range or at least faster battery degradation than later '13's and on, the '12SL can be a nice loaded car. IMO the 1/2 speed L2 charger is kind of a big deal(others probably don't care too much) but most S models are the same speed and ones with the charger package tend to be $1000 or more above the price of a base S without the charger package(note in '13 w/o the charger package you also lose the backup camera).
As said leather wasn't an option in '12 so if it has leather, either it's a '13 or was an aftermarket addition.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

warrenc
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Re: 2012 Leaf SL?

Sun May 14, 2017 8:06 pm

I should just post the car so everyone can look i over. The Car Fax is there to see too.
http://www.gilchristauto.com/VehicleDet ... 2982875663
2013 Leaf SV
Tacoma, WA

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