cyberyeh
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2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:24 am

New to this forum and the world of EV. Been reading lots of posts but still wanted to get everyone's opinion. I live in Los Angeles and found a 2012 SL and a 2013 S with quick charge option for about the same price, $6500, and the same miles, 37,000, and the same 10 bars at full charge. Should I buy the 2012 fully loaded SL, or the newer 2013 model S?

cwerdna
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:47 am

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it. (Yes, I see that you live in LA.)

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

What is the original in-service date on each? Where did each reside before (per Carfax and/or Autocheck)? What was the build month, esp. on the '13? You did properly count the capacity bars, including the red ones, correct? http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/File ... bars_s.jpg is a 3 bar loser.

They both sound relatively cheap but 10 bars isn't great. It would be great if you can buy a car that will make it down to 8 bars before the 5 year/60K mile battery capacity warranty runs out --> free replacement battery.

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jjeff
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:46 am

As an owner of both, I'd say get the '13.
+'s to '13-
Much better heater and a way to turn it off, although living in LA heater might not be that big of a deal.
SOC% display, no SOC display on '12, only more woefully inaccurate GOM.
Much nicer seat fabric, well unless you like velvet smooth very light seats of the '12 that show EVERYTHING!
Double the speed L2 charging, shop for 1hr gain 30% battery, it's about half on the '12
Tad less storage room in the rear due to location of charger
4th button on FOB to open charge port door, the '12 is mechanical and must be pulled inside the car
More regen, although this may be because my '12 has 10 bars and my '13 is full at 12.
No IRRITATING nag screen EVERYTIME you start the car for NAV and no need to double shift to get into ECO mode


+'s to '12
More features such as Cruise Control, ability to stream audio via Bluetooth, photochromatic rear view mirror, build in universal garage door opener on rear view mirror, rear hatch storage cover/shelf,
A bit peppier, could be a benefit for some although I prefer not
Select magnesium body panels, no rust?? although in LA rust probably isn't an issue
Mag rims, although I prefer steel for less air leaks
Electric parking break, I never use it so I could care less, others may feel differently
Slightly better sounding stereo, comparing base stereo to base stereo
NAV if you use it, I use my phone
Larger backup camera/functions screen, backup screen also has nicer lines that move when you turn the wheel
Auto on headlights and brighter LEDs, no LEDs on '13S
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
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BuckMkII
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:03 am

cyberyeh wrote: the newer 2013 model S?

What *month* in 2013 was it built? You know that the batteries was changed starting in April 2013? March 2013 and earlier have batteries that degrade faster.

If it is a pre-April 2013 and really has already lost two bars and you are planning to try to degrade the battery in time to get a new one under warranty, the (presumably) later in-service date gives you more months (but not more miles) to do that. If you just want the existing battery to last as long as possible, "don't get anything built before April 2013" would be the conventional wisdom, I believe.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17 : AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250

cyberyeh
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:46 am

Thanks everybody for replying. I live in Pasadena and will use the car in local commute no more than 40 miles a day, with occasionally highway driving of 80 miles maybe once a month. The 2013 is pre-April. I thought the battery warranties are 10 year/100,000 miles and exchange at 9 bars? Sounds like I won't be able to get the battery down to 8 bars for either car under warranty.

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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:57 pm

You only have 5 years or 60k miles from the "in service" date, which is when the car was first registered to drive. So you need to check that on the 2013. Think of them as the same car with different features, because they have, in effect, the same battery. Both will lose capacity fairly fast in LA.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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cyberyeh
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:44 pm

It turns out the 2012 SL has a new battery with 12 bars and 44000 miles on it, but the price is $8800 after tax/license/dealer fees, is this worth buying? Or should I get the September built 2013 S with quick charge and 10 bars and 37000 miles for $6800 after all fees? Also found a 2012 SL with 9 bars with warranty expiring on 10/10/17 with 36000 miles for $7000 after all fees, any chance I can get this one down to 8 bars before October 10?

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:33 pm

There is certainly a chance, and a Hot summer would even make it likely, but there are no guarantees. Get the car with the features you like most. Just try to avoid getting a pre-4/2013 battery, with the possible exception of the 9 bar 2012.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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cyberyeh
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:02 pm

I got the 2012 SL with 9 bars because it was a much cleaner car and more options than the 2013 S. What's the fastest way to get the batteries to 8 bars before October 10th? The owner told me to deplete the battery a few times and then use DC quick charge at charging stations should do it, or leave it out in the hot sun. Any thoughts on this?

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2012 SL or 2013 S

Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:06 pm

Keep it fully charged and as hot as possible.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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