eprevide
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Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:39 am

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum. I'm considering buying a 2015 Leaf S, possibly without quick charge upgrade and I am confused about charging times. The car comes with a 110 charging cord which, if I understand correctly, will charge the vehicle in 20 hours or so. If I get a EVSE Level 2 charging cord (220V, 30 amp) can I use this and will this decrease charging time even if I don't have the quick charge option installed in the car? What kind of charge times can I expect? Also, can I use level 3 charging stations on the Leaf S without the quick charge option?

Thanks in advance for any assistance. I'm super excited to go electric!!!

Cheers

Calaveras
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:17 am

I have a 2016 S
The 240v EVSE allows me to charge Twice as fast. I also have no quick charge which means you cannot use the full capability of a 30 amp ESVE, a 16 amp would charge the same speed. That being said I bought the JuiceBox 40 because it was only $200 extra and has cool features I use. If I get a new EV in the future with the QC it will charge 4 times faster than the EVSE that came with the car.
2016 S bought used in 2017 with 93% SOH 58 Ah 89 Hx for $12,000
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 2,900 foot elevation climb on the way home.
Calaveras County California

alozzy
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:25 am

An S w/o the charging package has a 3.6kW charger onboard. So, charging on an L2 EVSE will result in a max charging rate of 3.6kw no matter what L2 charger you use. With the charging package, that max rate jumps up to 6.6kw

For L3 charging, you must have the charging package, which includes the CHADEMO charging port
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
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LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

speedski97
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:01 am

I like this chart. if you can get the DC fast charge. just the 6.6 KWH charger over the 3.6 kwh, would be nice.
https://www.clippercreek.com/wp-content ... OW-RES.pdf

eprevide
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:51 am

Thanks for the responses! That chart is super helpful. Maybe I'd be better off looking for a Leaf with the QC at the very least, or maybe the SV or SL.

jjeff
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:47 pm

I'd really want(and have) the charge package on a S model Leaf. If your OK with ~5hr L2 charge times(as opposed to a max of 20hrs with the factory 12a L1) and your OK without the QC port(I probably would be, although it never hurts to have it). you could probably forgo the charge package. Another unadvertised bonus of the charge package is 30a(actually 27.5a) L1 charging at say a campground outlet. Without the charger package 12a is the max you can charge at 120v, no matter how high your EVSE goes to.
If you just want the faster L2 charging(between 3-3.5 hrs max charge time) then you might want to look at a SV model w/o the QC package. You also get the more efficient heatpump heater on the SV and above models(after '12).
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
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cwerdna
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:36 pm

speedski97 wrote:I like this chart. if you can get the DC fast charge. just the 6.6 KWH charger over the 3.6 kwh, would be nice.
https://www.clippercreek.com/wp-content ... OW-RES.pdf

Charging rate is measured in kW, not "KWH". Also see viewtopic.php?p=497654#p497654.

https://www.clippercreek.com/charging-times-chart/ may help the OP.

To be clear, 2013 to 2015 base S trim only have 3.x kW OBC. Charge package adds CHAdeMO inlet for DC fast charge capability (often colloquially and incorrectly called "level 3") and upgrades the OBC to 6.x kW, which increases the vehicle's acceptance rate over J1772.

'13 to '15 SV and SL include 6.x kW OBC, however CHAdeMO inlet is optional on the SV. If you want that, you'd need to get the quick charge + LED headlights package.

OP, can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

eprevide
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:08 pm

I have updated profile with location. I am in northern California (Humboldt County....the bay area is NOT northern CA unless you are from LA!!! :D ) We are coastal so lots of rain and cold down to 30-40 degrees F in winter and max high temp of mid 80's in summer but the vast majority of the time it is between 50-65 F. I will really only be using the car to drive to and from work (about 10 mi. each way) and to run kids around after school. I plan on installing a 220V outlet at my house and I own my own business so I will be able to charge the car at work with either 110 or I may install a 220 outlet. Probably the included 110V charging cable will suffice 90% of the time but I'm just getting into this and trying to understand all the options. I found a 2015 S model without QC in perfect condition with only 12K miles for $12,500. I was just about to buy it when I started reading up about the different charging options and now I'm not so sure about this one.

I really appreciate all your help and comments!

speedski97
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:02 pm

I know it is like 5 hours to get out of town. ( I like the red woods ) You may want the 30Kwh battery and dc fast if you want to get out of town. to make Redding it would be easier with the 30 KWH battery. A lot of us think we would only drive to and from work, after getting the car we find it to be used for most of our driving. keep your options open... There is money from PG&E so look at that. and a few lease deals here..

http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/

You should be able to buy a leaf new for 12k if you can use the write off..

RonDawg
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:50 am

eprevide wrote:I have updated profile with location. I am in northern California (Humboldt County....the bay area is NOT northern CA unless you are from LA!!! :D ) We are coastal so lots of rain and cold down to 30-40 degrees F in winter and max high temp of mid 80's in summer but the vast majority of the time it is between 50-65 F. I will really only be using the car to drive to and from work (about 10 mi. each way) and to run kids around after school. I plan on installing a 220V outlet at my house and I own my own business so I will be able to charge the car at work with either 110 or I may install a 220 outlet. Probably the included 110V charging cable will suffice 90% of the time but I'm just getting into this and trying to understand all the options. I found a 2015 S model without QC in perfect condition with only 12K miles for $12,500. I was just about to buy it when I started reading up about the different charging options and now I'm not so sure about this one.

I really appreciate all your help and comments!


In that climate I would try to step up to an SV trim even if it means getting an older or higher mileage car. The reason is that the resistive style heater in the S will significantly decrease your range. SV and SL use a more efficient heat pump that is ideal for your local temps.

With a 10 mile one way drive an S will work but the car's usefulness will be limited. Once you drive a pure electric you will find yourself using the car more than you expected.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar on 11/21/2015 at 26,435 miles.
Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL

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