eprevide
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:01 am

Thanks for that tip. It's been hard to determine exactly what the differences are between all the models and years of the Leaf. Is there a chart anyone can recommend?

LeftieBiker
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:08 pm

I'll try to super-simplify it:

2011-2012 Leaf: poor heater, slow onboard charger in all cars.

2013-2015 Leaf: heatpump in all but the S, faster onboard charger in all but the S without Charge Package. The S has resistance heat only for all years, but it's a better heater than the Gen 1.0 cars. (2013 Leafs built before April of that year have the older, fast-degrading battery.)

In 2016 all the SV and SL cars have the 30kwh pack, while the S got the same pack about August.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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eprevide
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:11 pm

got it...thanks.

warrenc
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:17 pm

I just went through the same thing you are about 3 months ago. My commute is about 8 miles each way and I live in Washington, but the weather sounds similar; although we probably get more rain!
I wanted the best Leaf I could find for the most reasonable price, and I ended up with a 2013 SV with 32K on it for $7000.
Everyone has touched on the major points, but like you I thought it would be nice to have a chart that spelled out all the differences.
The best thing about the 2013+ SV and SL models is the 6.6KW charger and the navigation package, IMHO. The charger for obvious reasons, like I can charge my car from 40 to 100% in about 2 hours. The navigation for the Nissan Connect/ Carwings remote capability. I really don't use the navigation much. I plan to use the Nissan Connect quite a bit come winter since I can remotely turn the climate control on while it's still plugged in and not have to scrape ice or deal with a fogged up windshield during the rainy season (September to June). I have to take everyone's word on the heatpump since I haven't had the car long enough to know how well that works, or any prior experience with EV's.
I was a little surprised to find that the 2013 SV did not have the backup camera as standard equipment, because that would be really nice, but I'll learn to live without that. In 2014 that became standard with all models. Of course.
If you get an S model, make sure that it has the QC package. I think that would be probably the most important option to make sure you have.
2013 Leaf SV
Tacoma, WA

eprevide
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:34 pm

Thanks for sharing all that. I've found a couple of 2014 S models w/QC and around 27K miles going for $11,999 (lease returns). Tempted to just pick one of these up but the heat pump difference is holding me back. I'm not at all familiar with Nissan Connect or Carwings...I'll start researching that before making a purchase. Thanks again.

powersurge
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:52 am

For that price, I would try for a 2015 with less mileage. Don't worry about the heater on the S.. It is not bad compared to the other one. If you lived in Canada, and needed to have the heat on all the time, and drive long distances, it may be an issue...

I live in NY, and even in 0 degree winters, it has been fine, and it uses about 1 mile of range for every 10 that I drive, which is reasonable. OF COURSE, that is with reasonable heat to warm the car, not to blast it... I set the heater to 66-68 degrees, on one or two bars of fan speed...

Dooglas
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:50 am

In Arcata, CA or Tacoma, WA I would not worry about the heat pump system in the SV/SL. In Portland, OR I have owned an SV and an S. Because the climate is relatively mild here, I found that the heat pump offered little advantage. I do agree that the fast charge package is an important plus on the S model.
2013 Leaf SV - lease ended, 2016 Leaf S30

BillHolz
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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:28 am

Another thing to consider, S models before 2015 do not have cruise control. When I took a 2013 S model out for an overnight test drive, I found it way too easy to speed without cruise because there is no drive train noise to let you know how fast you are going.

If you are looking at 2016 S models and want to know if it has the 30KWH battery, look at the 4th character of the VIN. If it is an A it has the 24 KWH battery, and if it is a B it has the 30KWH battery.

QC is only important if you want to go beyond the range of your car. For the most part you should be doing your charging at home or work and it will take about 20 seconds of your time, 10 seconds to plug in and 10 seconds to unplug when you leave. There are times that I wish I had QC because then I could do long distance trips in my Leaf but my family just rents a car for long trips. Never having to go to a stinky gas station and waste 5 to 10 minutes of your time to fuel up is one of the best benefits of any BEV.
2015 SV no QC

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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:21 am

More great tips! Glad I inquired on this forum...there's nothing like real life experience!!! Thanks to all.

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Re: Question about Leaf S charging options

Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:02 pm

Dooglas wrote:In Arcata, CA or Tacoma, WA I would not worry about the heat pump system in the SV/SL. In Portland, OR I have owned an SV and an S. Because the climate is relatively mild here, I found that the heat pump offered little advantage. I do agree that the fast charge package is an important plus on the S model.


There are two ways to look at this. If you don't need maximum range and don't mind losing range to heat on most trips, then an S is fine. If you run the heat for defrost/defogging a lot, and would like to occasionally be able to drive more than 50 miles while doing so, then an SV with heatpump is still a better bet.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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