lukep
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Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:09 am

Hi everyone,

I'm Luke, and my wife and I live near Seattle. We're planning to sell our second car and buy a CPO Leaf. However, since the 2nd generation models are expected to be announced soon I'm thinking that we should wait until then to buy to hopefully get a lower price. I imagine that once the 2018s are on sale there will be a flood of 2 year leases on the secondary market.

Do you think it's worth waiting, or do you think prices on the secondary market will stay about the same? FWIW prices now in the area are about $10,000 for a 2015 CPO.

I've bought a bluetooth dongle to use with Leaf Spy to check the battery pack on any car we're interested in. Other than that, any suggestions as to what I should be thinking about?

Thanks.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:32 pm

We need to know your driving needs in terms of range and speed. Also, please put your location in your signature line as well, as this info is often needed.
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jjeff
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Location: MSP MN

Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:38 pm

Personally I don't think prices on the used Leafs will drop much, if any. I believe in most markets used Leafs have actually risen lately. Now if you were talking a new Leaf, sure I think the prices left on any remaining 30kw Leafs will drop like a rock once a longer range Leaf comes out but I don't think so much on something like a '15, which IMO the price you posted seems like a pretty good deal. '13S's in my market are darn near $10K but Leaf prices really vary by location.
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lukep
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:06 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:We need to know your driving needs in terms of range and speed. Also, please put your location in your signature line as well, as this info is often needed.

Thanks. This will be a short-range commuter. In general it will be used for in-city commutes of 15 miles or less round trip, but with occasional highway/city drives of 30 miles or less round trip.
We will keep it in our (uninsulated) garage, which already has a dryer in it. I'm looking for threads with good info on our options for the garage to install a L2 charger. From what I've read, sounds like having a dryer outlet in the garage should spare us the major expense of having wiring run out to the garage.
I like the idea of the Obercharger, but will get some estimates for a second outlet.

jjeff wrote:Personally I don't think prices on the used Leafs will drop much, if any. I believe in most markets used Leafs have actually risen lately. Now if you were talking a new Leaf, sure I think the prices left on any remaining 30kw Leafs will drop like a rock once a longer range Leaf comes out but I don't think so much on something like a '15, which IMO the price you posted seems like a pretty good deal. '13S's in my market are darn near $10K but Leaf prices really vary by location.
Thanks for the perspective. Leafs are pretty popular here, so there is a very large CPO selection of lease returns. After selling our current second car (Honda Fit), I'm hoping to be $5-6k out of pocket for the Leaf. It sounds like it may wind up costing a bit more than that. :P

LeftieBiker
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:10 pm

My advice is to buy a CPO Leaf (or just a dealer used Leaf, for the warranty) with one or even two capacity bars missing. That will get you a good price, and it looks like you can use the car until it has 5 bars gone. Your cooler climate should make that at least 5 years in the future.
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powersurge
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:35 am

Installing a charger in your garage will not be a "major expense". Installation of a 240 line should only be about $2-300 if your attached garage does not have one...

LeftieBiker
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:54 am

powersurge wrote:Installing a charger in your garage will not be a "major expense". Installation of a 240 line should only be about $2-300 if your attached garage does not have one...


That's just for the parts.
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cwerdna
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:09 am

powersurge wrote:Installing a charger in your garage will not be a "major expense". Installation of a 240 line should only be about $2-300 if your attached garage does not have one...

But in other cases, installing an EVSE can be a lot more. In 2013, the city permit only for an EVSE was $310.

And, in some cases, it can be a lot more like for me: http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8264#p8264. This was for a "free" EVSE and standard installation via https://web.archive.org/web/20130728215 ... m_overview. That program's LONG over. The saga of my posts on this began at http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6872#p6872.

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hackdroot
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Location: East Bay Area, CA

Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:56 am

Don't forget that you can offset some of the costs of the charging station with the Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Property Credit if you qualify (IRS Form 8911).

https://www.irs.gov/uac/form-8911-alter ... rty-credit

Some power companies also provide tax incentives or rebates for EV installations. Mine, Pacific Gas & Electric, offers a a rebate of $500 per vehicle (providing it has not been claimed by a previous owner). Check with your local supplier.

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... icles.page


Between the two, I basically got my charging station for free.
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lukep
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Re: Hi everyone – planning to buy our first Leaf

Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:16 am

Thanks for the ideas! I checked and PSE isn't offering any rebates for charger installation but we will qualify for the tax credit. I'd like to get a charger that allows me to choose when it charges so we can charge when it's cheaper.

I've been searching for guides on what to look for on Leaf Spy, if anyone has suggestions. I've not had good luck with the videos I've found of YouTube.

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