LeftieBiker
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:55 pm

... but I wonder whats up with your GOM?? 99 miles is basically unheard of for a 24kwh Leaf, unless someone was coasting down a hill for the last few miles the vehicle was in use on a 100% charged Leaf.....something just doesn't seem right.


The range estimate is based on the last couple (2? 5?) of minutes the car was driven, so if the OP gets 5 or 6 m/kwh for the last little bit of his drive, that's all it takes to see that on startup.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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UsedLeaf
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:50 pm

jjeff wrote:If wanting a L2 EVSE(charger) don't waste your money on anything more than 16a @ 240v(well unless you want to futureproof) as 16a is the max you can charge @ 240v, 12a @ 120v.


I have no clue what this means...lol.
As far as the car, the old lady drove it around town only for grocery shopping, she is retired and was afraid to go far with it. Original owner. Got it with an extended warranty and service plan and the EZCharge card from nissan I just activated since she didn't use it.
And that 99 miles was this morn after I unplugged and drove down the court in eco mode.

Also not sure about ECO mode, I read that people drive on the freeway in that mode???? Is that the norm?
2012 Silver Leaf SL Premium Package 20,200 miles

2011 Toyota Tundra V-8 4X4 260,000 miles (was my daily driver)

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alozzy
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:24 pm

@UsedLeaf - if you like to drive like the granny that sold you the car, then by all means drive in ECO all the time :D

I personally only ever use ECO mode for lighter regen braking (I have a 2013, with B mode - heavier regen). IMHO, the only reason to drive in ECO mode when not braking is because you need extra range on a long trip.

If wanting a L2 EVSE(charger) don't waste your money on anything more than 16a @ 240v(well unless you want to futureproof) as 16a is the max you can charge @ 240v, 12a @ 120v.


Jeff is letting you know that the onboard charger on your Leaf is limited to a 3.6 kW rate. When charging on an EVSE outputing 240V @ 16A, that's 3.84 kW - more than your onboard charger allows. So, if you bought a fancy EVSE that outputs up to 240V @ 40A, your Leaf would still limit the charging rate to 3.6 kW. In other words, save your money and buy a cheaper EVSE...
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GRA
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:35 pm

alozzy wrote:@UsedLeaf - if you like to drive like the granny that sold you the car, then by all means drive in ECO all the time :D

I personally only ever use ECO mode for lighter regen braking (I have a 2013, with B mode - heavier regen). IMHO, the only reason to drive in ECO mode when not braking is because you need extra range on a long trip.

If wanting a L2 EVSE(charger) don't waste your money on anything more than 16a @ 240v(well unless you want to futureproof) as 16a is the max you can charge @ 240v, 12a @ 120v.


Jeff is letting you know that the onboard charger on your Leaf is limited to a 3.6 kW rate. When charging on an EVSE outputing 240V @ 16A, that's 3.84 kW - more than your onboard charger allows. So, if you bought a fancy EVSE that outputs up to 240V @ 40A, your Leaf would still limit the charging rate to 3.6 kW. In other words, save your money and buy a cheaper EVSE...

Your basic advice is correct, but not some of the numbers. Originally, Nissan rated the On-Board Charger at 3.3 kW, which is what gets to the battery after overhead (cooling the power electronics, charging inefficiency) from a 3.84 kW (or higher) EVSE. Then other companies started coming out with OBCs that could handle about twice the current/power, typically 30 Amps at 240 V, or 7.2kW on the input side. So, for 2013 Nissan decided to change how they described their new, more powerful OBC so that it didn't look so feeble compared to the competition, and IIRR began calling it a 6.6kW OBC, rather than the 6kW or lower that it would be called if rated for power into the battery (i.e. the output side of the OBC).

All 2012s have the 3.3 kW OBC, which is the rating into the battery (output side of the OBC), but it pulls up to 3.84kW from the wall (input side of the OBC).
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:18 pm

Correct and the least expensive L2(240v) EVSEs(part you plug in the wall) tend to max out at 16a, or the max your Leaf will accept. I was just saying there is no need to spend more money on a higher power EVSE, well unless you were planning on getting a different vehicle that could accept higher current. Your Leaf will work with a higher power EVSE, it just won't use more than 16 amps.
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UsedLeaf
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:43 am

GRA wrote:
alozzy wrote:@UsedLeaf - if you like to drive like the granny that sold you the car, then by all means drive in ECO all the time :D

I personally only ever use ECO mode for lighter regen braking (I have a 2013, with B mode - heavier regen). IMHO, the only reason to drive in ECO mode when not braking is because you need extra range on a long trip.

If wanting a L2 EVSE(charger) don't waste your money on anything more than 16a @ 240v(well unless you want to futureproof) as 16a is the max you can charge @ 240v, 12a @ 120v.


Jeff is letting you know that the onboard charger on your Leaf is limited to a 3.6 kW rate. When charging on an EVSE outputing 240V @ 16A, that's 3.84 kW - more than your onboard charger allows. So, if you bought a fancy EVSE that outputs up to 240V @ 40A, your Leaf would still limit the charging rate to 3.6 kW. In other words, save your money and buy a cheaper EVSE...

Your basic advice is correct, but not some of the numbers. Originally, Nissan rated the On-Board Charger at 3.3 kW, which is what gets to the battery after overhead (cooling the power electronics, charging inefficiency) from a 3.84 kW (or higher) EVSE. Then other companies started coming out with OBCs that could handle about twice the current/power, typically 30 Amps at 240 V, or 7.2kW on the input side. So, for 2013 Nissan decided to change how they described their new, more powerful OBC so that it didn't look so feeble compared to the competition, and IIRR began calling it a 6.6kW OBC, rather than the 6kW or lower that it would be called if rated for power into the battery (i.e. the output side of the OBC).

All 2012s have the 3.3 kW OBC, which is the rating into the battery (output side of the OBC), but it pulls up to 3.84kW from the wall (input side of the OBC).


Ok I guess I have to read about that, over my head. All I know is it charges in 30 min. gets me to my work and back on a charge even with the killer hills. We will see for how long tho.
I did just air up the tires they were at 37 I bumped to 42. Needs new tires soon tho.
2012 Silver Leaf SL Premium Package 20,200 miles

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UsedLeaf
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:59 am

Almost 2 weeks and I have put 1000 miles on my car and I love it! I thought this was gonna be just a hop to work car but we have been going everywhere (within reason). Got down to low battery one day with 8 miles to go after driving for 96 miles on one charge with aircon running!! I drive 5mph under speed limit and in cruise control seems to get better mileage for me and in eco mode. And having this free charge card is awesome! 30 min quick charge when we grab lunch or shop at the mall has been awesome. Best $4200 I have spent. So far approx $150 saved on gas from my truck at 17mpg highway. At this rate with the service contract and the 2 year free charge card I am gonna be making money soon!
2012 Silver Leaf SL Premium Package 20,200 miles

2011 Toyota Tundra V-8 4X4 260,000 miles (was my daily driver)

2009 Mercury Mariner Hybrid 95,000 miles (wifes car)

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Reddy
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:17 pm

UsedLeaf wrote:Almost 2 weeks and I have put 1000 miles on my car and I love it! I thought this was gonna be just a hop to work car but we have been going everywhere (within reason). Got down to low battery one day with 8 miles to go after driving for 96 miles on one charge with aircon running!! I drive 5mph under speed limit and in cruise control seems to get better mileage for me and in eco mode. And having this free charge card is awesome! 30 min quick charge when we grab lunch or shop at the mall has been awesome. Best $4200 I have spent. So far approx $150 saved on gas from my truck at 17mpg highway. At this rate with the service contract and the 2 year free charge card I am gonna be making money soon!
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Reddy
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Re: New Leaf owner here

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:25 pm

Ok, if I did the math guesstimate correctly, from your signature: 260,000 mi / 15 mpg *$3.00/gal = $52,000!!!!!!! in gasoline alone since 2011. No wonder the oil industry hates EVs. If you'd bought a new 2011 Leaf for full price instead of your truck, you'd be close to $20,000 ahead. Instead you waited and got a killer deal on a used Leaf. Better late than never. Just think about savings you will see in the next decade.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
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warrenc
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Location: Tacoma,WA

Re: New Leaf owner here

Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:47 pm

UsedLeaf wrote:Almost 2 weeks and I have put 1000 miles on my car and I love it! I thought this was gonna be just a hop to work car but we have been going everywhere (within reason). Got down to low battery one day with 8 miles to go after driving for 96 miles on one charge with aircon running!! I drive 5mph under speed limit and in cruise control seems to get better mileage for me and in eco mode. And having this free charge card is awesome! 30 min quick charge when we grab lunch or shop at the mall has been awesome. Best $4200 I have spent. So far approx $150 saved on gas from my truck at 17mpg highway. At this rate with the service contract and the 2 year free charge card I am gonna be making money soon!

I bought my 2013 almost 2 months ago, and I love it too, but you must have won the lottery and picked up a magical 2012.
96 miles with 8 miles to spare? That battery pack must be like new or you drive a lot more efficiently than I do!
I thought I got a good deal at $7000 but you definitely beat me there, too.
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