warrenc
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:22 pm

Battery degradation is a fact of life with an EV. In 4 years and 36K miles it's had some, it's just a matter of finding out how much. My 2013 is down one bar and shows 83% SOH in Leaf Spy after 34K miles, but it came from San Jose and heat was probably a major factor.
The thinking has been that battery prices will drop precipitously in the next few years and replacing the traction battery won't be as big of a concern. There is also the fear that no one will bother to produce a compatible battery in the future since technology will leap forward at such a pace that it won't make economic sense to bother building one. I'm personally hoping that doesn't happen any time soon.
You also realize that Nissan warranties the battery to not lose over 30% of it's capacity in 5 years/ 60K miles? There is little chance of that happening by the time you hit 5 years from the in service date, but is something to consider.
Since you mentioned you were a teacher and with a user name of sciencegirl, I'm going out on a limb and guessing you might be a science teacher? :shock: Newton's Laws of motion becomes very important with an EV. I don't run in ECO mode, but I do find myself looking for any excuse to coast down a hill or use regenerative braking when I need to slow or stop. I try not to use the HVAC more than I need to and I keep my tires inflated to 42 psi. All things I read about here that I thought I would probably ignore since I have a 16 mile round trip commute, but squeezing out every available mile seems to come natural when you have the range of an ICE car with a 3 gallon tank!
The bike could be a good backup in the spring and summer, but I doubt you'll opt for that during anything approaching winter conditions.
The GOM readings are just that right now, and hopefully way off.
From what I can gather, the 2015 "lizard" battery is holding up the best, but you have to figure out what you can afford and what you are willing to spend for that. Obviously, I opted to spend less and take a chance on a 2013 myself. I do love driving it, and I have a lot of options on what I can drive!
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:33 pm

You also realize that Nissan warranties the battery to not lose over 30% of it's capacity in 5 years/ 60K miles? There is little chance of that happening by the time you hit 5 years from the in service date, but is something to consider.


That won't happen with this car - I guarantee it. Anyway, if you want to know how the battery will hold up and the present capacity, you have to get the SOH and/or AH readings. My advice otherwise is as always in this situation: assume that a 12 bar Leaf from that era is an 11 bar Leaf with just a little extra range. If you aren't sure that's enough, then either pass on the car or start saving for a new battery pack in a few years.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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BuckMkII
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:19 pm

sciencegirl wrote:Or do I follow the advice of a previous post and buy some duct tape to cover the GOM,lol.

That is terrible advice. You should use a carefully trimmed piece of black electrical tape. Much classier looking. :ugeek:
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

warrenc
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:06 pm

BuckMkII wrote:
sciencegirl wrote:Or do I follow the advice of a previous post and buy some duct tape to cover the GOM,lol.

That is terrible advice. You should use a carefully trimmed piece of black electrical tape. Much classier looking. :ugeek:

Solid advice. Plus the residue from duct tape is so messy!
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:11 pm

BuckMkII wrote:
sciencegirl wrote:Or do I follow the advice of a previous post and buy some duct tape to cover the GOM,lol.

That is terrible advice. You should use a carefully trimmed piece of black electrical tape. Much classier looking. :ugeek:


Or a friendly "Don't Panic!" sticker. :D
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

BuckMkII
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:27 pm

Nubo wrote:Or a friendly "Don't Panic!" sticker. :D

To go with the towel kept under the seat for emergencies involving ravenous beasts.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

sciencegirl
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:56 am

perhaps I should look for a car that shows 42 on the GOM...

BuckMkII
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:22 pm

:D

Hold out for one with a 42 somewhere in the VIN.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

warrenc
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:54 pm

Just keep the towel handy and in case of emergency, engage the improbability drive.
Good to see you're still around, sciencegirl. Have you discovered any new information for us to interpret?
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sciencegirl
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Re: Guess-o-meter vs bars help!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:33 pm

If it hasn't sold,I hope to look at the car again next week now that I've got an ODBII and leafspy....hope to post data here

...currently spending the weekend at NYCC...and yes, I bought my towel with me. True story.

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