slmooreok
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looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:58 pm

Hello. I am looking to buy my first Leaf. I have been lurking in here for a while reading and learning. I live in Oklahoma City. My daily commute is about 13 miles one way. 99% of the time it is just me driving to and from work, with an occasional errand to run in the evening and/or a short drive for lunch. I probably average about 12,000 miles per year.

My wife drives a minivan that we would use for road trips or any time we need more room for our two kids 11 & 9yo. We also test drove a Volt, which I liked, but the back seat was so cramped that we ruled it out. I am hopeful that we can choose to take the Leaf out to dinner or other family outing once a week or so, and maybe take some of the load (and gas cost) off of the minivan.

This will be replacing an old 2000 Malibu with 140,000 miles. I would like to drive it for a while, and would NOT plan on replacing it in 2-3 years.

I am looking at two low mileage CPO cars here locally. Having longer powertrain CPO warranty seems nice to me, especially since I won't be able to take the Leaf to my mechanic. The first is a 2015 S with 4700 miles. The second is a 2016 S w/ 30kwh battery and 2700 miles. Right now the 2016 is listed at $4000 more than the 2015. Both of these cars were locally owned.

From what I can tell, the advantages of the 2016 are:

1) 30kwh battery means longer range and more years before battery degrades below my useful limit
2) I think the 30kwh battery gets longer battery degradation warranty?
3) 10 more months of bumper-to-bumper warranty
4) The stock stereo seems to have NissanConnect Mobile Apps - not sure what the advantages of this are vs the 2015 S. If my phone can send bluetooth audio I think I am happy

To me right now I don't think the 2016 seems worth an extra $4k, but I would imagine they would come down off of that price (likely the 2015 dealer would also though). Are there other advantages I am missing? How much $ would the longer range of the 2016 be worth to you? Should I get an OBD scanner and leafspy to check out the batteries on these, even with the low miles? Any other things I should be thinking about?

Thanks!

alozzy
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:27 pm

Why not split the difference and get yourself a 2014 or 2015 Leaf SV. It's definitely worth the price difference over the S model, IMHO
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
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pyromancy5
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:33 pm

What are the prices? Can't say if it's worth it or not.
2014 Leaf SL

slmooreok
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:28 pm

List prices are $16k for the 2016 S-30 and $12k for the 2015 S. I'm sure they will come down some. In fact Cargurus showed the 2016 listed at $14,500 over labor day (surprising it is that much higher now).

There really aren't any SV or SL models in town. There is a used non CPO 2015 SV w/ 15k miles listed about 4.5 hours away listed at $12,750. Seems like the things that are valued in these lines are the nav system and more efficient heater, but those don't interest me too much, as it doesn't get very cold and I wouldn't take the Leaf far enough out of town to need the navigation. Are there other things that I am missing?
Last edited by slmooreok on Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

slmooreok
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:30 pm

Also NMAC has a $700 incentive for CPO, which may be helpful

slmooreok
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Also forgot to mention that both of the two local cars have quick charge option

alozzy
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:06 pm

Extras you get on an SV with Charge Package:

  • 6.6 kW onboard charger, twice as fast as S trim
  • 16" aluminum alloy wheels look nice and are lighter
  • Navigation system
  • Cruise control
  • B-mode, which provides more aggressive regen
  • LED headlights and automatic features thereof
  • Fog lights
  • A 6 speaker stereo
  • Heat pump, more efficient in mild winter conditions
  • Auto-dimming rear view mirror

I probably forgot a few...

The heat pump is actually more beneficial for milder winter climates as, when it's extremely cold, the resistive heater kicks in on an SV - the same resistive heater on the S (which is why they call the heat pump system a hybrid).
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

alozzy
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:16 pm

There seem to be quite a few SVs within 200 miles of you:

https://goo.gl/4L7bSE
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

LeftieBiker
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:56 pm

I believe that the S got cruise control for 2015.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

alozzy
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Re: looking to buy my first leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:41 pm

I'm sure you're right about the CC, I have a 2013 SV and I honestly haven't looked at the specs for newer models. I'll do that someday, when I'm ready to buy a newer Leaf :-)
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

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