LeftieBiker
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:36 pm

joeriv wrote:Not for the 2013 S - I had the DCQC package and no LED or fog lights.


Right, but the car above has Premium Package and a cloth interior, and is thus an SV.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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GerryAZ
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:44 pm

I think a used LEAF is an excellent choice for a first car for a high school student. They are heavy cars so they are quite safe in accidents, there are many lease returns which keep used prices low, and the student does not need to worry about gas money (charge at home overnight). I would not recommend one for a college student without finding a reliable place for overnight charging. Your 60 to 65 mile daily need (if you drive it) on freeways will require a car with little battery deterioration (unless you can drive slower than normal freeway speed or there are reliable public charging facilities along your route). In your mild climate with high humidity, I recommend a 2013 or later SV or SL because the heat pump will use much less energy than the resistance heater for defrost (only an issue if stretching the range when you drive it for your daily commute). I strongly recommend that you get a car with backup camera because there are large blind spots when backing up (premium package surround camera system or just rear view camera is up to you).
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
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joeriv
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:12 pm

If you can get the $10,000 utility incentive, couple this with the $7,500 fed tax credit and I believe there is a WA state credit around $3,000, you're looking at a $20,500 discount for a 2017 Leaf (if still available). All these incentives are after you negotiate your best price off MSRP, so conceivably you could get close to your $10,000 price for a new 30 KW Leaf.
2017 Leaf S with QC, JUN mfg date

jjeff
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:18 pm

My daughter loves using my '12 Leaf. Sure it's now down to 9 bars and frequently needs to be charged, it still works great for her! Never has to worry about filling the gas in sub-zero wind chills, or the constant price fluctuations of gas, just plug it in and she's set :)
She needed to make a couple hundred mile trip the other day so she had to use our Prius. She'd never had to use a gas pump so I had to give her a primer before her trip, not that she had to fill the gas but just in case of an emergency :) To her gas stations are for one thing only, to get food or drink :D
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2013 S w/QC purchased new
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'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:47 am

To the original poster... Yes, a Leaf is a great car for a High School senior and college student, even if they live away from home. My two teenage sons want my Leaf as their car because they would not have to spend any $$$$MOOLA on gas... That is a big incentive. Also, a new driver does not know anything about good car maintenance, and the Leaf is perfect because it needs none. Lastly, At that age, young drivers only go on short trips to malls, friends house, and burger king, so it is perfect as an around town vehicle.

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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:10 pm

Perhaps most important of all, by providing our teenagers with an EV as their first car, we'll almost guarantee that they'll choose to buy an EV when they are in their 20s too - and hopefully never even consider an ICE.

Given their reliance on mobile phones and being "connected", they should have little trouble adjusting to using PlugShare to find free public charging options in the short-term. I suspect they'll adjust a lot easier than we did, as planning in advance for charging will just become second nature and charging infrastructure will be that much more pervasive.
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brotherjethro
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:47 pm

Given the low daily miles she would drive, you wouldn't even have to install an L2 EVSE. The included L1 cord should be fine, if you already have a convenient 120V outlet.

(FYI, L1 charging rate is approximately 4 mph)
2013 Pearl White SV, bought used in 2017 with only 5100 miles. Vancouver, WA.

BuckMkII
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:18 pm

I bought a July 2013 build car this past Memorial Day. It started out with about 18 kWh at full charge. Over the summer I was getting 5 miles per kWh easily on the worn original tires, and at that time I could easily go 60+ miles before hitting 25% SOC in careful(ish) city driving, or at constant 50-55 mph freeway driving (all fairly flat routes, but not perfectly flat).

I replaced the tires in September with new Ecopia Plus and took a 10% hit with the stiffer, heavier new tires. Still would be pretty close to workable for your commute without white knuckles.

But, in the last month as "winter" weather (Seattle winter, so you know, NOT really winter), my range has tanked due to using heat, defogging (not optional!) and lights and wind and rolling on wet road, which apparently all matters although you never notice it with an ICEV. I can basically rely on getting 3.0 miles per kWh (I just got back from a 13 mile round-trip taking the kid to a sport class for which LeafSpy said I got exactly that mileage), so now I can go just over 40 miles from a full charge to 25%, or if I wanted to keep it between 80% and 30% SOH for best battery life, that would be 27 miles per cycle. My hope is that it will be 5 or 6 years before the car drops the 9th bar (to SOH 65%) and so gets less than about 80% of these values.

So, for your kid's current needs, you are good to go, but for your commute, winters will be marginal, at best, if you can't charge at both ends (or jump on a nearby DCQC conveniently). The commute would probably be do-able in summer for a couple of years.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

BuckMkII
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:27 pm

texasdiver wrote:There are actually 85 leafs 2013 and newer listed on CARFAX within 200 miles of my location which I am kind of surprised by. Wasn’t expecting so many choices.

Many of those cars will have been auctioned elsewhere and shipped there, often from places that are hot enough to do lots of extra damage to the battery. Try to find a car that was sold and serviced in a cool area so you don't get a dud that is already badly degraded by hot weather. A native Portland car would be ideal.
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

BuckMkII
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Re: Used leaf for High School commuter car?

Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:32 pm

GerryAZ wrote: They are heavy cars so they are quite safe in accidents, .

When most of the excess weight is battery under the seats, not steel in front of you, I think that's a fallacy. The crash test data isn't too bad, but I was worried from the start about the parking brake lever poised right in front of my left shin, and the offset crash results bear that out:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicl ... hback/2014

The Leaf is no Mercedes or Volvo!
2013 SV no QC, manufactured July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
on 9/29/17: AHr = 55.3; SOH = 84%; Hx = 81.6; ODO = 41,492
bar 12 lost 8/21/17

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