RolandPark
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Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:11 am

I own a driving school. Our typical daily route is 70 miles (75% urban, 25% highway) . I have two questions;

1) is it realistic to get 70 miles a day, every day, for years? I'm shopping for a used Leaf (40,000 miles) and I'm not sure the advertised range (82-84 miles) still applies. The Leafs I test drove weren't fully charged according to the salesman. (that's a whole 'nother story. The dealership was expecting me, twice, and neither time were the cars fully charged.)

2) is a Leaf robust enough for daily urban wear and tear. We currently use Nissan Versas and they seem to hold up pretty well.

Thanks, Roland

smkettner
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:35 pm

Are you using them as part of the school? If you have 30 minutes to charge between driving sessions the 70 miles per day should be easy.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:48 pm

Your local climate matters a lot. If it is cool (think Seattle), then you'd probably be fine. If the Summers are hot, then battery degradation would be a real problem over time. Depending on your budget, your best bet might be to find a cheap Leaf with a degraded battery, and then buy a new heat-resistant pack for $6000.
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jake14mw
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:03 pm

I think it should be great for that. Are there any fast chargers convenient to where you are for days where you don't get quite the range you want?

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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:37 pm

Charging and degradation concerns aside, my daughter learned to drive on our LEAF and I think it's perfect for that. She loved the ECO mode when she was learning, as the muted accelerated response was more forgiving than our Santa Fe (which has a touchy pedal). She found that especially helpful for parking.
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RolandPark
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:44 pm

Thank you for the answers.
I'm in the Chesapeake region of Maryland (Piedmont coastal) so our terrain is pretty flat (mostly) and our climate ranges wildly (but is mostly mild) For example winter is usually around freezing with occasional weeks down to 15F and summer is around 80F (and humid) with occasional weeks at or near 100F. Our spring and Fall are absolutely beautiful and each season is exactly three months long.

There are charging stations nearby, I'm not sure they are fast charging. There are 5 total chargers in our office lot and I've never seen more than two cars (but there will undoubtedly be more EVs coming! I hope).

I was initially looking at plug-in hybrids, but the mpg savings isn't so great that the additional purchase cost makes sense. (The Versas I have get 30 mpg city). The '14 Prius I looked at was the same price as an '18 Versa. Then I saw a Leaf, and drove it, and what a great car! And I want one, but it has to add up. (I want a Tesla, but, you know, cost).

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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:07 pm

You want to avoid the 2016 and 2017 Leaf, because it is too hot in Summer for them where you live, and they will degrade alarmingly fast. Look at used 2015 SV and SL models, for the heatpump heater and the best battery Nissan ever made.
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:33 pm

@RolandPark, if you decide to take the plunge, make sure you buy a 2013/2014/2015 LEAF SV that includes the charging package (CHADEMO port) as that will allow you to charge the battery from a low state of charge (i.e. 20%) to 80% charge in under half an hour.
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powersurge
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Re: Leaf for driving school

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:25 am

The leaf would be perfect for a driving school. It is made to run round the clock.... most time is at slow speed and idling. Gas pedal is slow and forgiving. Perfect if you have some chargers around and a little time every few hours to top off the battery.

The "not good idea" part is if your customers require really cool A/C and warm heat during lessons. That would kill the battery, and cut your range in half... Just a thought.

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Re: Leaf for driving school

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:30 am

The "not good idea" part is if your customers require really cool A/C and warm heat during lessons. That would kill the battery, and cut your range in half... Just a thought.


Not true. No Leaf uses that much power for A/C, and the heatpump equipped models only use that much when temps are below 25F or so. The 2011 and 2012 Leafs do have power-sucking heaters, though. The S models lack the heatpump, but have effective resistance heaters (unless it's broken). I'd avoid the S, though, because like the early Leafs the heat still uses lots of power even for defrosting.
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