alozzy
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:12 pm

@DaveinOlyWA Advice doesn't extend to telling someone that they are cheap and that they might as well buy a $1 car as spend $6k on a car.

I'll defend someone's right to spend whatever they want on a car, without passing judgement. Shame on snobs who don't!
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:20 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Shipping a car from a cheaper state would cost you about $600. I'd avoid Leafs built before April of 2013 because of rapid degradation, but a cheap early 2013 with a degraded pack would at least have a heatpump in SV or SL trim. Heated seats and wheel are standard after 2011, although the heated backseat goes away in the 2015 or 2016 model year. Make sure you have a guarantee that both heaters work correctly, because there have been some failures in both the resistance/PTC heater (mainly) and the heatpump units. If you want remote preheating, then the car has to have an upgraded telematics unit (SV and SL only) - and some of the upgrades haven't gone well.


If a 2011-2012 Leaf has had its battery replaced and still showing the majority of bars with a good price, it is also a very good used Leaf.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:56 pm

Evoforce wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Shipping a car from a cheaper state would cost you about $600. I'd avoid Leafs built before April of 2013 because of rapid degradation, but a cheap early 2013 with a degraded pack would at least have a heatpump in SV or SL trim. Heated seats and wheel are standard after 2011, although the heated backseat goes away in the 2015 or 2016 model year. Make sure you have a guarantee that both heaters work correctly, because there have been some failures in both the resistance/PTC heater (mainly) and the heatpump units. If you want remote preheating, then the car has to have an upgraded telematics unit (SV and SL only) - and some of the upgrades haven't gone well.


If a 2011-2012 Leaf has had its battery replaced and still showing the majority of bars with a good price, it is also a very good used Leaf.


Oops, I meant to write that as well, but forgot between starting and ending that paragraph.
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:55 am

It seems like the 2018 Leafs are just starting to arrive at Dealerships. Perhaps this will increase the number of used Leafs available?

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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:44 am

What about this- https://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/d/20 ... 60061.html

The haps I can offer them 11 1/2? What makes me a little miffed is the fact that people got brand new leaves for 15 K ouch after all the rebates and stuff last year.

Yes, you buggers have convinced me a $5000 leaf is a bad idea thanks and no I’m not offended at all :)
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:09 am

alozzy wrote:@DaveinOlyWA Advice doesn't extend to telling someone that they are cheap and that they might as well buy a $1 car as spend $6k on a car.

I'll defend someone's right to spend whatever they want on a car, without passing judgement. Shame on snobs who don't!


I really enjoy the fact how vocal and defensive people get when a post takes a very clear position.

I, on purpose, made the statement that it is foolish to buy an old Leaf with a bad battery because the new owner will very soon be complaining that they bought a $5000 paper weight.

I also said (on purpose) that the "sweet spot" on a Leaf is to buy a $9-10K. You defenders of the "poor guy" that has a right to buy as cheap as they want must like to debate every issue in your house. If a person's budget only allows $5K, then THEY WILL DIE when the Leaf soon has no usable range and needs to buy a $6K battery.

So... Stop putting down honest advice that spending $3-4K more on a car is a smarter choice, both short and long term....

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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:45 am

Yes, powersurge thanks for your advice and no I’m not offended, really.
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powersurge
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:05 am

thanks for your note.

I really think that buying a Leaf is not buying by price but by good value and less headaches.

I would say the say the same think about buying a cheap foreclosed house..... Unless you are a contractor, (or mechanic) stay away.

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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:00 am

I don't have a problem with warning a nieve prospective buyer that it's risky to buy a cheap EV, due to concerns about the battery health. Kudos to that.

But, in this case, the OP clearly stated in the original post:

Obviously a $5000 leaf is going to have a not so good battery pack don’t care just need to get 20 or 30 miles


There's nothing ambiguous about that - he understands the risks and he seems willing to gamble a bit that even an old pack will give him "20 or 30" miles of range.

My point is that it's someone's prerogative to take that risk if they want, if they understand the risks, without being berated for doing so.

There are many Tesla owner's who think all LEAF owner's bought a lemon, due to the car's limited range. If you asked them if you should consider a LEAF with a 99% SOH pack, they'd likely tell you that you might as well buy a $1 car as spend $9-10k on a LEAF. It's all relative...
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Gigawatt
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:35 am

Ok peeps, lets get back on track here: I am quite handy with cars and electrics - I've kept a D2 A8 going since 2006, super complicated less than reliable car so a leaf / Vera seems to be easy peasy to work on. Of course having to drive the thing is going to be a big downgrade but such is the state of affairs right now, perhaps I should be looking at E-golfs? I3s are nice and I got to take one to top speed on the Autobahn last year (will post video - also in I8 at 150mph), lovely little cars but $20k is a bit of a stretch.

Is that a good deal you think, the one on CL in Boulder - ---- > https://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/d/20 ... 60061.html

I know for lots of vehicles there are list floating around of what to look for - where can I find such a list for Leafs?

Yes now is a shite time to buy with all the 2018s coming out and folks waiting to buy Model 3s - we should really wait a few months I suppose.
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