Gigawatt
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:43 am

One more question, anyone aware of any Colorado Tax break for used EV? I know of all the crazy ones last year for new cars.

This is why it grates me to see a $13k used leaf from 2013 when I know some buggers got a new 2017 one for $15k!

goldbrick
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:24 pm

I'm one of the lucky ones who got a Leaf last year and the way it worked for me was that the dealer took both the $5k CO tax credit and the $10k Xcel Energy credit off the sticker price. I never saw the money, didn't have to do any paperwork, etc. It all went straight to the dealer. The $7500 credit from the Feds will be coming on my tax return this year.

I'd check the web about the federal credit and CO state credit. Not sure if any it applies to used vehicles or not. And yes, i could sell my Leaf for more than I paid for it given the used prices on CL but I'm keeping mine. I like it too much.

goldbrick
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:29 pm

IF you could find a new 2017 in stock somewhere, you could take both the $7500 federal credit and $5000 CO credit and have the car shipped to you. I don't know if Xcel is still offering their rebate but you could ask. They extended it 2 or 3 times last summer already.

Gigawatt
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:48 pm

So they don't offer the tax credit on used cars any more in CO, they did away with it - nice !!

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/energy ... ax-credits

No credit is allowed for the purchase or lease of a used vehicle made on or after Jan. 1, 2017.


The new option would be still 30k - the limited rebates, my costs just jumped from 5k to 10k now 20k ouch! I'm leaning towards waiting it out for a few months, keep the Subie and perhaps buy the loner E39 BMW we have right now for 3.5k - e39 baby and of course I have to quote the consumer reports article stating that it was the best car they ever tested 2001- http://tinyurl.com/ycj3o8nu :)

As someone commented there should be a flood of used ones once Mr Musk gets his arse in gear but now he's saying 2019 ........

Thanks again for all the great feedback and tips!

Clutch303
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:50 pm

Colorado still has EV credits. Actually the highest for any state. But they only apply to new purchase vehicles. When you lease the incentive goes to the leasing company, just like the federal incentive.

http://driveelectricnoco.org/2017/06/co ... in-nation/

erco
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:15 pm

@Gigawatt:

I second what many others have said here about avoiding a car that barely meets your needs right now, as the range & usefulness will only get worse and more frustrating, and then you're the last guy holding the bag (a great-looking car that nobody wants) and you have to junk it. Ironically, that's likely for many of these originally environmentally friendly cars. Unless there's a quantum breakthrough tomorrow in battery tech and prices plummet, most cars will get scrapped when range hits 30-40 miles.

Assume you're the last owner for whatever car you buy. You'll need to keep it for several years to get your money's worth, so buy a car that will still have 30-40 miles range in three years from now.
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Gigawatt
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:04 pm

That's a good point, I saw a car with a battery warrantee until 2021 that might be a good idea, What everyone is tell me that unlike the Prius the batteries won't make it to 200k Miles. I don't need a lot of range but yeah if ever year I get less and less range it's gonna suck. Wonder how much the cheapest pack is, just parts? I can install it myself.

powersurge
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:22 am

I have trouble with those who say that when the battery goes, its time to scrap the car.

A Leaf is well made, and has a lot of value as an electric car, which are still rare and sought after. I would have no problem spending $5-6K on a Leaf that has been sitting around while the battery deteriorated....

Where else could you get a good quality car at that price that could potentially go another 100K miles and use NO gasoline... AND save thousands in fuel vs. gasoline... That alone is worth the price of admission.

jjeff
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:18 am

powersurge wrote:I have trouble with those who say that when the battery goes, its time to scrap the car.

A Leaf is well made, and has a lot of value as an electric car, which are still rare and sought after. I would have no problem spending $5-6K on a Leaf that has been sitting around while the battery deteriorated....

Where else could you get a good quality car at that price that could potentially go another 100K miles and use NO gasoline... AND save thousands in fuel vs. gasoline... That alone is worth the price of admission.

I hear what your saying, but from an economic sense, well it makes very little sense :)
Lets say you spend $6K on a battery replacement on a very good condition '13?? Leaf. Well the day after you do the upgrade it will still only be worth $8-9K??. Now I know what you're saying, it may be worth more than that to you, but if another inattentive driver totals your Leaf, $8-9K is probably all your going to get. If you figure before the upgrade you may have been able to get $5-6K for the Leaf and it's degraded battery, well that means you've lost $3k for your battery replacement :(
Spending big money on certain things you'll never really get your money back. Sure if you really want it, it may be worth it to you, but from a financial point, it won't, this happens frequently with a house. The thing with a house is there is it has a far less chance of it getting totaled(house fire??) your Leaf can be like new one minute and totaled the next, with very little you yourself could have done to change the outcome :(

To me instead of spending the $5-6K on a replacement battery what makes more sense is to sell your degraded Leaf cheap on the second hand market and look for a like new, with a good battery, replacement. Of course if your really attached to your current car the $5-6K may be worth it to you, but it probably won't be to anyone else :)

I wonder just how many people(original owners mostly) pony up for a new battery once say it's degraded to 50 miles or less? It's really a shame aftermarket companies and batteries haven't brought down the cost to say $3-4K.....at that cost I might think of replacing the 8 bar battery in my '12SL which otherwise is in excellent condition. As it is now I'm lucky to get 40 miles nowadays and even 20 miles isn't unheard of in extreme cold. Oh and basically 0! regen, just when I need it the most :(
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:40 am

Another point to consider; the HUGE difference in battery longevity with a lower DoD

DoD is the % of total capacity used. If you can get a LEAF that has 40% more than you need, you can "live in the middle" running your SOC from 20 to 80% or a DoD of 60% which will greatly increase the usable life of your LEAF.


Now we can debate endlessly over what happened with certain 30 kwh packs so not going there other than to mention

24 kwh packs. DoD 93.6%

30 kwh Packs DoD 94.8%
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