## Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Gigawatt wrote: Interesting so you are saying that even if you have three bars capacity you can still get 12 bars of charge?
Yes. And in that extreme case, the battery is capable of holding only about 3/12 of 24kWh, or 6kWh (ignoring the intentional nonlinearity of the bars and other details). So, again roughly, each of the 12 "charge bars" would represent 1/12 of that degraded-to-6kWh capacity, or about 0.5 kWh. At the LEAF's rule-of-thumb 4 miles/kWh efficiency, each "charge bar" would represent about two miles of driving range.
Gigawatt wrote: What about if you had 12 bars of capacity and only three bars of max charge - confused here.
That can't happen, because "max charge" IS "capacity", by definition.
Gigawatt wrote:And also I was reading that just because you have 12 bars doesn’t mean to say that you don’t really have 11.1 or 11.99 interesting stuff.
Welcome to the digital age. It's called "resolution" in the trade. As I look at the time-of-day display in the lower right-hand corner of my computer's display, I see that it's "11:12 AM". But is that 11:12:01 or 11:12:16, or... ?

The outer "capacity bar" segments indicate how much energy the battery can hold when full. The inner, longer "charge bars" show how much of your battery's current maximum capacity is full.

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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

I think that the owner of the CL car claiming '12 bars when full' was indeed being misleading, unless they actually misunderstood how the gauge works as well.

As for how much is left on a car that shows 12 real capacity bars, it's between 84% and 99.XX% of new. The 12th bar (the first to drop) represents a larger fraction of capacity (15%) than the other capacity bars. Nissan did this so it would keep showing12 bars longer. I always tell people looking at used Leafs to assume, if they can't use LeafSpy on the car, that it actually has 11 bars of capacity, plus a tiny bit more when it shows 12. That saves disappointment later. (Unless the system was reset to falsely show 12 bars, but that's another can of worms...)
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

I'll sell you a 2015 with 2.5 years of factory warranty left

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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Gigawatt wrote:Greetings, I’m looking for a cheap leaf here in Boulder Colorado. I have seen leaves for 5 to 6000k in the bay area but everything here on the front Range seems to be at least 7-9k. So I’m wondering what the deal is if people actually getting these prices here in Colorado?

I have a 2012 Leaf SL with heated seats, heated steering wheel, Chademo, 50,000 miles, new 2016 "Lizard" battery at 90% capacity, newish tires, looks and drives like new. It really needs to move to a cooler climate. I would take any reasonable offer between \$4000 and \$5000, but figure another \$500 to transport it from Florida to Colorado. I'm not in a big hurry to sell it, but I have been invited to configure my Tesla Model 3, and have been holding off for now.
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Offer it to him for \$5k with free shipping. People love free shipping.
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

I’m actually negotiating one that has hitch, snow tires for 12 bars for 10K here in Colorado 2013 SL. Trying to convince my parents to get an EV perhaps this would be good for them?
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

Ok pm me ASAP this sound like a good deal.
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

I’m actually negotiating one that has hitch, snow tires for 12 bars for 10K here in Colorado 2013 SL. Trying to convince my parents to get an EV perhaps this would be good for them?

Make sure that the driver's side door label shows a build date later than March of 2013. If the date is before that, then make sure it has a new battery, because otherwise the BMS was likely reset. As for your parents, it would depend on how much/far they drive, and whether or not they'd be likely to leave the car plugged in after charging finished, which tends to kill the 12 volt battery.
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

OK I meant to give this other guy a deposit for the \$11K leaf here in Boulder, this other one is half the price and 80% of the car I am now torn trying to get him to call me ASAP
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### Re: Looking for the cheapest leaf around I only need 40 miles :-)

So, how is your wife liking Pearl? Did the 12 volt battery give up yet? We miss her.
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