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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:30 pm

You need to charge overnight at home, then you would be fine. However $10k is too much for that car.
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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:10 pm

Don't use the Miles left reported on the dash as any serious data. I recommend having the remaining battery % displayed on the dash.


The % SOC display wasn't implemented until 2013. All he has is the charge bar display and the GOM.
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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:07 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Don't use the Miles left reported on the dash as any serious data. I recommend having the remaining battery % displayed on the dash.


The % SOC display wasn't implemented until 2013. All he has is the charge bar display and the GOM.

Believe it or not, that's correct! On an '11 and '12 you have to resort to aftermarket devices to see the SOC%. IMO it's one of the major shortcomings of the pre-13' Leafs. By '13 Nissan wised up, which makes me really wonder why new EVs(and PHEVs) come out and lack the incredibly handy SOC% meter! Unfortunately people(and companies) don't seem to learn from history :roll:
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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:23 pm

OP still needs to get back to us on the # of capacity bars. That's crucial. Also, we need to know where the car resided before (via Carfax or Autocheck) to see whether the # of bars makes sense (vs. it was a victim of a BMS reset) along w/whether their big (HV) battery was changed.

It's likely this car is down a few capacity bars and is not worth $10K, even at today's (oddly) higher used Leaf prices. And, the '12 has came w/a battery w/a lousy chemistry. If its HV battery was changed to a new one recently, that changes things.

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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:23 pm

I took the car back today - luckily, CarMax was fairly easy on the return process, even though I was left sitting for 30 minutes after arriving on time for the appointment set.

To answer a few questions about the car I returned -- there were 10 battery bars to the right. It came from an auto auction, and had previously lived in California.

At full charge, 59 miles was the range it reported and rapidly dropped under 50 within the first mile, each time. The trip to the dealership to drop it off from the house took it from 47 miles down to 16 by the time we got there, a 16.5 mile trip of which about half was freeway traffic at 55MPH. No heater, no headlights, Bluetooth playing music from my phone (that doesn't use up much, right?)

Anyway - not my problem anymore.

Thank you all for your valuable input and recommendations - it was encouraging to see that everyone here thought I should take it back, or that it was a bad price for what I was getting. (or both!)

This lead me to the very helpful people at Platt Auto Group in SE Portland, who only sell electrics.

There was a guy hanging out that doesn't even work there, but is an electric car enthusiast (with an OBD dongle!) that helped discuss the ins and outs of owning a Leaf or other electrics and hybrids, along with a helpful member of the staff that was able to explain the differences in models and years and all of that... like -- people who know about these cars.

When I told them about the issues with the 2012, they seemed all too familiar with the scenario and said taking it back was a good idea, as well.

There was a black 2013 SV for $10k that initially brought me to their establishment, but after looking around at their inventory (they did have a LOT of different Leafs) -- I ended up driving away in a 2015 Ruby Red with about 34500 miles for $15k.

It's the decked out model with leather interior and four cameras, and so far I'm really happy with it - the look and feel of the interior alone was a noticeable difference, it's in really good shape overall.

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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:45 pm

The 2015 Leaf has the best of all the Leaf batteries. Best of luck with it.
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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:50 am

agedmachine wrote:I took the car back today - luckily, CarMax was fairly easy on the return process, even though I was left sitting for 30 minutes after arriving on time for the appointment set.

To answer a few questions about the car I returned -- there were 10 battery bars to the right. It came from an auto auction, and had previously lived in California.

BTW, California by itself is very non-specific and is useless for helping determine battery degradation. Temperatures play a very large role in the rate of battery degradation. Cycling and age are other factors.

Look at the huge variance in temps that can and often does exist in the SF Bay Area in the summer:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19967&p=464260&hilit=dublin#p464260

Some parts of CA are even hotter like Death Valley and Palm Springs.

Some folks in my in my part of the Bay Area were able to lose 4 bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expired on their '11s and '12s. Some missed it. Someone in one of those cooler cities would have PNW-like minimal degradation.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... 036995594/ in the mild PNW didn't lose a capacity bar on their '13 until 92.7K miles. That'd be impossible in my part of the Bay Area. I bet that same vehicle in my area would be down 2 or 3 capacity bars by the same age and mileage.

viewtopic.php?p=473995#p473995 is of a guy in Phoenix w/the same build month as mine. I lost my 1st bar at 49.6K miles in Nov 2017. I'm still 1 bar down.

agedmachine wrote:This lead me to the very helpful people at Platt Auto Group in SE Portland, who only sell electrics.
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There was a black 2013 SV for $10k that initially brought me to their establishment, but after looking around at their inventory (they did have a LOT of different Leafs) -- I ended up driving away in a 2015 Ruby Red with about 34500 miles for $15k.

It's the decked out model with leather interior and four cameras, and so far I'm really happy with it - the look and feel of the interior alone was a noticeable difference, it's in really good shape overall.

I've heard of that dealer. Hopefully their cars all resided in the PNW.

Sounds like you got a the most fully-loaded '15 SL (assuming it had factory black leather). The Around View Monitor system is part of the premium package. If curious, see Specs tab of http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit.

But +1 on what Leftie said. The '15 "lizard" battery is the best battery, so far.

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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:49 am

Enjoy the 2015 SL. Returning the 2012 was the right choice and the 2015 should serve your needs well for a long time. The heat pump HVAC system is ideal for your moderate climate. If it still has the original Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires, consider replacing them with something better when they wear out.

Based upon your experience with the 2012, I suspect it has one or more failing battery modules (not just capacity loss). I made my 52-mile round trip commute (26 miles each way with 20 of those on the freeway in the carpool lane) when the battery in my 2011 was down to 8 capacity bars so your commute should not have been an issue with 10 capacity bars.
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Re: Help! Just bought a 2012 Leaf - range is low - worth a new battery or take it back?

Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:56 am

Whew. Good choice on returning it. Sounded like a bad car AND a bad deal.

What city does Carfax show your new car was originally sold and serviced in? (You DID see a Carfax report before buying, I hope!)
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car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
bar 12 lost 8/21/17
on 8/23/18: AHr = 54.6; SOH = 83.5%; Hx = 78.2; ODO = 49,746


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