Jam8
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Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:50 pm

This is my first post, and even after reading many threads and attempting to access the wiki, I'm still not 100% clear on how to assess the health of a leafs battery using leaf spy.

While I don't have a leaf yet, I'm certain enough that I will, the point that I purchased an OBDII Bluetooth reader and the LeafSpy pro app. I tried it out on a 2014 leaf at a used car dealership. The leaf is an SV model, with about 42k miles.

The dashboard shows 11/12 capacity bars. As best I can tell, the leafspy reading indicates that the next capacity bar is about to disappear. Is that correct?

Also, the AHr seem high to compared to the SOH and Hx. The leaf has lived most of its life in coastal central California, so it should not have been exposed to extreme temperatures. LeafSpy screenshot link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0674qvayruy9e ... y.png?dl=0

Reddy
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:59 pm

Looks pretty good to me. Yes, you’re between 10 & 11 bars, but you might get through the summer before losing the 2nd bar. A better question is how low can you get before the vehicle doesn’t meet your needs. I’m still fine with my 9-bar 2011 and will be for a few more years, but you might find next winter is tough for your commute. What’s the price?
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
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cwerdna
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:56 pm

^^^
Agreed. Looks about right for a not-very-mild climate of Central CA, esp. given that it's before the lizard battery and that the '14 marked the the first year of Leaf w/o the charge to 80% feature.

Where are you located? Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

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Jam8
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:15 am

It's at a used car dealer, they were asking $10,000. After some negotiating they agreed to $10,000 out the door, including registration. I think that made the sale price just about $9,100.

They've since dropped the on-line listing to $9,500, but I doubt they'd lower their offer to me. They claimed that it only allowed $68 of profit for them. I'm skeptical, might see if they're willing to budge as the car sits on the lot.

The range would probably still be suitable for most of my needs, but as the range decreased I imagine it would make some longer trips less practical, like driving 40 mostly freeway miles to visit family in Ventura, unless I had sufficient time to re-charge before the return trip. But for commuting to work and around town driving, I have no doubt the battery capacity should be fine for me for a few years.

I didn't realize that the 2015 was the first year with a feature to stop charging to 80%. That seems like something that could/should have been software upgradeable for older models. Are there external chargers that have this feature or other methods that would apply to pre-2015 Leafs?

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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:58 am

I think $10K could buy a better battery car...

LeftieBiker
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:20 pm

I didn't realize that the 2015 was the first year with a feature to stop charging to 80%. That seems like something that could/should have been software upgradeable for older models. Are there external chargers that have this feature or other methods that would apply to pre-2015 Leafs?


Eh??? The charge to 80% feature ENDED with the 2014 model year, after being available in one form or another from 2011. It was never reinstated. You can get an EVSE that will turn off with a timer or even with a command from an app, but there are none that can determine the car's state of charge.
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Jam8
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:26 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
I didn't realize that the 2015 was the first year with a feature to stop charging to 80%. That seems like something that could/should have been software upgradeable for older models. Are there external chargers that have this feature or other methods that would apply to pre-2015 Leafs?


Eh??? The charge to 80% feature ENDED with the 2014 model year, after being available in one form or another from 2011. It was never reinstated. You can get an EVSE that will turn off with a timer or even with a command from an app, but there are none that can determine the car's state of charge.


Ah, I see now that I misread cwerdna's post. Thanks for the clarification. Too bad that feature was discontinued, it seems like it would be a useful option for many.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:34 pm

Indeed. Nissan has their heads up their corporate assets on this.
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Jam8
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:38 pm

powersurge wrote:I think $10K could buy a better battery car...

Do you have any pointers or ideas? I've been monitoring the market near me for almost a month and haven't seen a ton of better deals. Also, this would end up being about $9k.

LeftieBiker
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Re: Looking at used 2014 Leaf - battery and leafspy questions

Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:14 pm

Have you checked the online dealers like Carvana?
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