ASepic
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How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 6:38 am

Hi Leafers,
I just bought my first Leaf (a 2012) yesterday. I am completely in love with it and found myself laughing when I passed the gas station and was looking at the people at the pump. :-D

One BIG question I have right off the bat is how 'should' you charge your Leaf at home? The manual suggests a Level 2 charger at 220-240V for the 'normal' charging procedure at home. But the previous owner told me he's only ever used the trickle charger at home and never had a problem with it not being completely charged in the morning. The manual recommends not doing this as it would reduce battery life. I spoke to another friend who has a 2015 Leaf and he as well only uses a trickle charge at home and said he heard that the trickle charge is best for longer battery life.

SO what's the official Modus Operandi? What's the consensus on this?

Thanks!

WetEV
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 7:48 am

ASepic wrote:Hi Leafers,
I just bought my first Leaf (a 2012) yesterday. I am completely in love with it and found myself laughing when I passed the gas station and was looking at the people at the pump. :-D

One BIG question I have right off the bat is how 'should' you charge your Leaf at home? The manual suggests a Level 2 charger at 220-240V for the 'normal' charging procedure at home. But the previous owner told me he's only ever used the trickle charger at home and never had a problem with it not being completely charged in the morning. The manual recommends not doing this as it would reduce battery life. I spoke to another friend who has a 2015 Leaf and he as well only uses a trickle charge at home and said he heard that the trickle charge is best for longer battery life.

SO what's the official Modus Operandi? What's the consensus on this?

Thanks!


L2 charge rate is more efficient, but will take a decade to save you enough electric power to pay for the charger and installation.

L1 charge rate will work as long as you don't drive too many miles.

A lower charge rate is very slightly worse for battery life. Other factors, such as garage temperature, are far more important. The cooler the better in summer.
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powersurge
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 8:10 am

You can continue with the 110v charger if the charging time (or 5 miles of range per hour charging) meets your needs....

Only problem is that if you need 100% battery every morning, you will not charge at 110v overnight.

I love my 240v charger. I can charge 30-35 miles range per hour of plugging in. Definitely worth the expense of charger and installation.

flydiver
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 8:13 am

There's HUGE amounts of info about stuff like this. You might read over this short thread for a better idea.
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25720

110v charging is fine, but take a long time.
220v is more convenient, but you may spend a fair chunk of change getting a 220v ESVE and an outlet. Set me back about $1100 when it was all done.

RonDawg
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 3:19 pm

The biggest reasons I think Nissan discourages L1 except as a last resort are:

1. Reduced level of satisfaction with the car, because it takes forever to charge
2. Potential fire issues when using an existing garage outlet, unless you have had an electrician inspect it or your home is fairly new
3. High likelihood that your garage outlet is on a circuit with other outlets, and the EVSE really needs to be the only thing on that circuit

That said, my first 9 months with my Leaf I charged using L1. But I used an outlet that was not on a shared circuit (central vacuum system no longer working properly) and periodically checked it for signs of overheating. And my range needs were such that replenishing what I used the day before still took less than 8 hours even at L1 speeds.
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Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL.

ASepic
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 6:01 pm

Thank you Everyone for your responses.

Great to know that the previous owner didn't prematurely deteriorate the battery by only using the L1 charger. And to understand how you all approach your charging.

I think I'll take the route of installing my own 30amp external outlet to plug in an upgraded 220V EVSE to charge things at L2 and keep costs minimal. Perhaps I can even find one here on the used/for sale forum - https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=25297.

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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Mon May 14, 2018 7:39 pm

Therese days a 16A EVSE is cheap. You can find them on Amazon for well under $300. It is not like 2012 when I paid $1000 for a Litton 16A 240V EVSE. MANY OF THE CHEAP China EVSE's do not fully comply with the standards. They fail the GFCI test. they work fine but they are missing a safety test. Clipper Creek is a uint that passes all safety tests.
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Reddy
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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Tue May 15, 2018 5:39 pm

RonDawg wrote:The biggest reasons I think Nissan discourages L1 except as a last resort are:

1. Reduced level of satisfaction with the car, because it takes forever to charge
2. Potential fire issues when using an existing garage outlet, unless you have had an electrician inspect it or your home is fairly new
3. High likelihood that your garage outlet is on a circuit with other outlets, and the EVSE really needs to be the only thing on that circuit

That said, my first 9 months with my Leaf I charged using L1. But I used an outlet that was not on a shared circuit (central vacuum system no longer working properly) and periodically checked it for signs of overheating. And my range needs were such that replenishing what I used the day before still took less than 8 hours even at L1 speeds.
Perfect info and advice, exactly what I would say, except that I've used L1 for nearly seven years. It works perfectly under my low use pattern (still under 50,000 mi).
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Fri May 18, 2018 5:07 am

flydiver wrote:There's HUGE amounts of info about stuff like this. You might read over this short thread for a better idea.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25720

110v charging is fine, but take a long time.
220v is more convenient, but you may spend a fair chunk of change getting a 220v ESVE and an outlet. Set me back about $1100 when it was all done.


You cannot be pound foolish by not getting the 240v L2 charger at home.... It opens up the car to be available 24 hours/ day.... With L2, you and your whole family can drive the car long distances round the clock, making the car as useful as a taxicab. 120volt L1 makes your car a brick, taking up space in your driveway for 12 hours per day, just to commute to work. When you get home from work, your car is DEAD for 12 hours....

The $1100 is not a high charge, when you are making a capital improvement on your home to fuel all your future electric cars.

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Re: How should you charge your leaf at home?

Fri May 18, 2018 1:33 pm

From what I can tell, those of us who bought used Leafs are more likely than original owners to try to live with L1 indefinitely.

I'm at the one year point now and L1 has served me just fine: There have only been a few times when the lack of L2 left me with serious range anxiety, or made me drive a different vehicle. Every time I start thinking I should take the plunge, I feel like I can't really justify the expense.

Maybe someday when a gently used Model 3 lands in my garage. ;)
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