EV2B
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 9:07 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thanks for the help, i do have access to EV parking stalls at work however they are only 120volt 15amp outlets no CHADEMO stations on campus.. yet..


Charging there will eliminate any range anxiety in Winter. L-1 120 volt charging adds roughly 4 miles (5.6km?) of range for every hour charged - probably more like 2.5 miles in very cold weather. If you can plug in for even 2-3 hours a day that will be enough. A heatpump-equipped Leaf gets most of it's Summer range in Winter until the temps drop to roughly 3 degrees Celsius. Below -9C or so the range drops to about that of a non heatpump-equipped car.


i was hoping that with the mild winters and somewhat warm summers (im orginally from Vernon BC)here in the lower mainland the capacity loss will be marginal, and i didnt think the heat pump with the SV model would be worth tue extra up front cost,but it sounds like the option is worrh especially if milleage is a concern.. not to mention the wife doesnt like the cold and i know she will want to do errands.

so you think even with our milder winters and summers the heat pump is worth the trim level upgrade?

what about carwings and navi? do they provide any range saving options or are they just another useless upgrade that wont help with battery degradation and overall capacity range ( which are my 2 biggest concerns with any true EV)

cheers!

EV2B
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 am

GaryHere wrote:I just bought a 2015 as well and have no place to charge but have found some free Chargepoint/Blink chargers around.


Did you download the Plugshare App yet? On there you can see if theres at least a L2 charging station in your area. The L1 charging is very slow but could suit your needs if you charge at work where they are and depending on your miles needed to drive.

I like your screen name as well!!! :)

Good luck with all.


hi Gary- i did come accross plugshare app. i havent downloaded it yet but it seems very uselful once i get into a LEAF. i wonder if the navi on sv model will show these stations while u drive?

thanks for screen name comment... it put a smile on my face when i said it aloud lol :lol:

EV2B
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 9:31 am

An update overnight:

i have arranged with Westwood Honda to take a 2015 leaf home on sat night and return it monday night.

I am deciding which model to test drive. Their EV specialist said stick to the S model but Im thinking the SV model with the heat pump may be worth the money.

I also hear people taking the ODBII and leaf spy to dealer to monitor the battery satus.. Did any of you do this before your purchase? or should the dealer provide me a report from nissan showing me the latest battery levels?

I asked my kids last night if they had any questions to ask on this thread since everyone is so informative and helpful and what my 11yr old daughter said is

'how to you charge your car when the power goes out? will you have to stay home with us?'

haha lolol kids are so precious.. something i didnt even consider.

besides the power outage issue lol.. what other queations or infomation should i get from Westwood to help me make that final decision?

Are people paying asking price? or can i talk them down 500-1000..

thanks everyone!!

goldbrick
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 9:57 am

I'd go with the heatpump. I think it would be perfect for your climate since it works best when it is cool/cold-ish and not way below freezing. I .

I live in Colorado and I have an S but I wish I had a heat pump. Colorado has an arid climate so the sun is usually out and that makes driving with a jacket on and/or using the seat heaters not much of a problem. But on those days when it's cool and rainy, I need to use the heat to keep the windows clear. It is a HUGE power draw and it just feels stupid to be using that much power for heat. I would have sprung for the heat pump if it was an option but I didn't want to pay for the entire trim upgrade so I settled for an S. In your climate, I think the heat pump is a no-brainer.

And if the power goes out - just make sure the car is parked at the top of a hill and you can re-charge it on the way down. :D

Superchewie
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 9:58 am

When I was shopping at North Shore Kia for my 2013, I brought my ODBII reader with me and went through each Leaf they had on the lot. They were fascinated, told me they were going to get a reader of their own; who knows if they did.

Its the modern equivalent of kicking the tires... go for it, and use it as a negotiating tool!
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 11:51 am

EV2B wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thanks for the help, i do have access to EV parking stalls at work however they are only 120volt 15amp outlets no CHADEMO stations on campus.. yet..


Charging there will eliminate any range anxiety in Winter. L-1 120 volt charging adds roughly 4 miles (5.6km?) of range for every hour charged - probably more like 2.5 miles in very cold weather. If you can plug in for even 2-3 hours a day that will be enough. A heatpump-equipped Leaf gets most of it's Summer range in Winter until the temps drop to roughly 3 degrees Celsius. Below -9C or so the range drops to about that of a non heatpump-equipped car.


i was hoping that with the mild winters and somewhat warm summers (im orginally from Vernon BC)here in the lower mainland the capacity loss will be marginal, and i didnt think the heat pump with the SV model would be worth tue extra up front cost,but it sounds like the option is worrh especially if milleage is a concern.. not to mention the wife doesnt like the cold and i know she will want to do errands.

so you think even with our milder winters and summers the heat pump is worth the trim level upgrade?

what about carwings and navi? do they provide any range saving options or are they just another useless upgrade that wont help with battery degradation and overall capacity range ( which are my 2 biggest concerns with any true EV)

cheers!


The heat pump in the SV/SL is actually the most help in climates like yours, with lots of milder cool weather, and the S, with its resistance-only heater, does the worst in that weather. (In frigid weather the two systems have similar range.) As for the telematics, if you get a Leaf with a 3G unit that actually works, and doesn't drain the 12 volt battery, it can help by letting you start the climate control right before you reach the car, or a bit sooner if it is charging on L-2. Otherwise it isn't a big range booster. And an older Leaf with an "upgraded" telematics unit is much more work because you will likely have to pull a fuse to reset it regularly, and use a 12 volt battery maintainer. If you find a 2015 Leaf with the old 2G unit, use that to negotiate and then just leave it there. It won't work, but it won't cause problems, either. Nissan may eventually develop a 3G upgrade that actually works well.
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 12:00 pm

I also live in Colorado. My LEAF is resistance heating while my Prius Prime has a very advanced heat pump.
I don't use either, since I prefer sunshine when available, warm clothes, gloves, heated seats and occasionally heated steering wheel.
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 12:02 pm

EV2B wrote:
GaryHere wrote:I just bought a 2015 as well and have no place to charge but have found some free Chargepoint/Blink chargers around.


Did you download the Plugshare App yet? On there you can see if theres at least a L2 charging station in your area. The L1 charging is very slow but could suit your needs if you charge at work where they are and depending on your miles needed to drive.

I like your screen name as well!!! :)

Good luck with all.


hi Gary- i did come accross plugshare app. i havent downloaded it yet but it seems very uselful once i get into a LEAF. i wonder if the navi on sv model will show these stations while u drive?

thanks for screen name comment... it put a smile on my face when i said it aloud lol :lol:


Hello

Yes PS is great! However, check with whomever owns the stations (Blink etc) on those respective apps before arriving as I have arrived at some on PS that are not in use any longer and I reported them as such.

I dunno if the navi shows stations on the SV; I have an S. That would be great!

Good luck with your Leaf over the weekend, hope it works out for you.

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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Thu May 31, 2018 2:26 pm

SageBrush wrote:I prefer sunshine when available


Vancouver BC and my climate are very similar. We usually don't get sunshine from October to March.

I suggest the heat pump.


EV2B wrote: i wonder if the navi on sv model will show these stations while u drive?


The navigation on the SL and SV models will show charge stations, but isn't the same database as Plugshare. Plugshare shows more. Also, you can enter stations you use, and can keep track of stations you have used automatically. The automatic station log seems to be limited in depth, as stations will drop off after no stops for a while... I don't find it useful.
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Re: Will a used 2015 leaf suit my needs

Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:35 am

There's no need to obsess over the 20% - 80% thing, do that only if it's convenient. Also, you can charge to 100% quite frequently but plan those charges so that you will be running the car right after charging.

What's more important is to avoid having the car sit while it's hot out and while the pack is also in a high state of charge (SOC). Fortunately, you will rarely have problems with that in Vancouver, other than perhaps a few days in July and August when it's 30C or higher. On those days, try to keep the SOC under 80% unless you really need the range. Really low states of charge are less detrimental but should also be avoided when possible. Any time you run the pack down to the VLBW, you should charge it right away to at least 20% SOC.
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