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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:38 pm

The 2013 will have the 80% charge limit option and the 2014 won't. If this matters, consider it. OTOH the 2013 would be more likely to have 12 volt battery issues. If both cars are loaded and you don't mind limiting the charge manually (or having the charge finish shortly before you use the car), the '14 should have an extra year at 12 bars.
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Talock2018
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:49 pm

Everyone, thank you so much for all the good advice! Leaning toward the '13 mainly since it's cheaper, but really want to check the batteries...

Decision time fast approaching - anyone know somewhere i could get a OBD 2 wifi (brick and mortar, not shipped as it takes too long to Maine even with amazon prime...)?
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:29 pm

I think you'll have to wait for an Amazon order for the OBD2, finding a retail outlet that sells those is highly unlikely. Alternatively, perhaps someone on these forums, that lives close to you, could lend you his/hers.
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Talock2018
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:41 am

Assuming I CANT get a OBD2 before we need to make this decision (don’t want to lose the chance at these vehicles)...is there any other clandestine ways of distilling real battery info while at a dealer?
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:05 am

The only other way is to do a range test. You'll find more details in these forums, but here's the basics:

  • Plan out a route near the dealership that you can drive during non rush hour at constant highway speed using cruise control
  • Try to pick a day that's not too hot, but without wet or windy conditions
  • Reset the trip counter and efficiency counters before you leave the dealership
  • Note the starting SOC (on an S, you'll need Leaf Spy)
  • Hit the highway and set the cruise control
  • Drive until the SOC drops by 25% from the charge you left the dealership with
  • Stop as soon as possible and note the trip counter miles as well as the miles/kWh efficiency

Multiply the trip counter miles by 4 to get an estimate of total range at the efficiency you noted earlier. Then, divide that number by the miles/kWh efficiency to estimate the total pack capacity (in kWh). At 60 mph, you would cover a mile per minute so you'll need almost half an hour to complete the 25% range driving test.

An example:

  • Starting SOC = 75%
  • Trip counter miles = 19
  • Efficiency = 3.9 miles/kWh
  • Ending SOC = 50%

In that case, the estimated range at highway speed would be 19 * 4 = 76 miles and the estimated pack capacity would be 76/3.9 = 19.5 kWh
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Talock2018
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:37 am

alozzy,

For clarification, by “highway “ speeds, do you mean interstate-level speeds? Just trying to plan a route that fits the bill...
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:27 am

Talock2018 wrote:alozzy,

For clarification, by “highway “ speeds, do you mean interstate-level speeds? Just trying to plan a route that fits the bill...



At 60 mph, you would cover a mile per minute so you'll need almost half an hour to complete the 25% range driving test.


This the speed he meant. Leaf drivers tend to not go above 60MPH. ;-)
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Talock2018
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:31 am

What happens above 60mph? ;)
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:58 am

Talock2018 wrote:What happens above 60mph? ;)


Range drops as speed increases, but car is relatively quiet. I always drive with traffic flow on the freeways around Phoenix.

The maximum speed is limited to 94 mi/hr indicated on speedometer (93 mi/hr measured by GPS with OEM tires inflated to 44 psi on both of my cars) which translates to the maximum safe RPM for the electric motor. Power draw is about 30 kW on the level with no wind at that speed so it can easily go up hills without slowing down.
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Re: Deciding between two used Leafs (first EV)

Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:17 am

I get my best range between 53-55MPH... Stay in the right lane, and let all the nuts pass you...

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