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Re: Actual Highway Range of 2018 Leaf

Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:11 am

+1 on the above post. Don't buy (especially buy!) a Leaf in Florida.
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V8BoatBuilder
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Re: Actual Highway Range of 2018 Leaf

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:06 pm

Seems like lots of Leaf haters and battery worry-worts on this forum. I find it hard to believe that the Leaf can't handle Florida heat if you are not fast-charging.

Where is the evidence to back up telling this guy not to buy?
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Evoforce
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Re: Actual Highway Range of 2018 Leaf

Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:31 pm

V8BoatBuilder wrote:Seems like lots of Leaf haters and battery worry-worts on this forum. I find it hard to believe that the Leaf can't handle Florida heat if you are not fast-charging.

Where is the evidence to back up telling this guy not to buy?


People with experience are offering good advice. I see you are in NJ. That is one of the better climates to utilize a Nissan Leaf. Florida is not. Please spend some time reading about the history of Nissan Leaf's battery shortcomings throughout this forum. You and I may not want it to be true, but the truth is inescapable. Because of those problems, the Nissan Leaf also suffers from crushing quick depreciation.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
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*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Actual Highway Range of 2018 Leaf

Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:23 am

Evoforce wrote:
V8BoatBuilder wrote:Seems like lots of Leaf haters and battery worry-worts on this forum. I find it hard to believe that the Leaf can't handle Florida heat if you are not fast-charging.

Where is the evidence to back up telling this guy not to buy?


People with experience are offering good advice. I see you are in NJ. That is one of the better climates to utilize a Nissan Leaf. Florida is not. Please spend some time reading about the history of Nissan Leaf's battery shortcomings throughout this forum. You and I may not want it to be true, but the truth is inescapable. Because of those problems, the Nissan Leaf also suffers from crushing quick depreciation.


Depreciation is also high because of the tax credit(s), which new cars get and used cars do not. This adds $7,500 to $12,000+ to the depreciation.

Depreciation is also high because of the improving market for EVs. A 24kWh Leaf sold nationwide was a groundbreaking market leading development in 2011. When I bought my 2014 Leaf, a used Leaf sold for almost the same as I did buy a new Leaf for, after tax credits. A 40kWh Leaf is behind the market in 2018.

Depreciation is also high because of how Nissan sells all cars at a discount to MSRP, and how depreciation is (often) calculated using MSRP.

Yes, some of the higher depreciation is due to the faster capacity loss in hot places. But the observation that there a lot of Leaf haters is correct. Some of them seem to own Tesla stock, and are trying to cut down on the competition. Some live in hot places and didn't have a good Leaf experience. One wants to promote hydrogen cars. And so on. And some can't seem to paint in greys or colors, only black and white.

However, there are many people that love their Leafs. Most of the people I know in person. Unlike some of the competition, few drive trains have been replaced, no major "Stop Safely Now" errors, no traction battery fires, no battery with half charge suddenly empty errors and so on. For the commute and around town car, it really is a nice ride. Comfortable, safe, reliable. Perhaps not as durable of battery as one might wish, especially the 2011 and 2012. The 30kWh battery had a capacity reporting problem, and otherwise the question isn't settled as to how durable the battery is.

Someone buying a Leaf in Florida should be aware that the best case is that the battery drops below the capacity threshold just before the warranty, and not just after the warranty.
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Re: Actual Highway Range of 2018 Leaf

Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:25 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote:
cmaadams wrote:I haven't tested a max range yet (I got a 2018 SV on Monday). I've already put 300 miles on it though. My 70 mile commute at average highway speeds of 70+ mph and a big hill (up and down) brought me from 95% down to 39%. No climate control on.


Wow. That’s a heck of a commute. What’s your charging situation at work?


There is a city owned parking garage that I park in for $100/month (but now that I have an EV it will be zero, they offer free parking to EVs bought at a dealership in the city). There are 10 level 2 charging stations ($1 to start plus $0.25/kWh). It cost me about $7 for to charge to 100%.

There is also a DCQC a few blocks away at the whole foods that is part of the no charge to charge program.

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