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2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:34 pm

I test drove a 2012 Nissan Leaf this evening at a local Carmax and fell in love. The car had relatively low miles at about 37K and was priced at just under 10K. CarMax also has a 2015 leaf with only 19K miles for sale as well. This car is priced at 12600. This is my first foray into an all electric vehicle, so i didn't really know what to check or look for. I went in looking for an economical vehicle to get me to work and back and thats about it. I just stumbled onto the leaf idea and the more i think about it, the more I like it. I drive around 15 miles one way to work and we have EV charging stations at the office.

I intend to go back tomorrow and purchase, but I am undecided on which year model to buy.

Is it worth spending a few thousand more and getting a newer model? What should i be looking for when go back tomorrow? Are either one a good deal? Which is better?

Any advice would be fantastic. I am sure there are 100s of things i am not thinking about, so i want to make sure i am prepared.

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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:05 pm

The 2015 is the one to buy. It has the best battery Nissan ever made, while the 2012 has the worst. What version is the 2015? S, SV, SL?
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 am

It is a 2015 Leaf S. 19K miles for 12599.

I found a 2015 Leaf S at the Local Nissan place with 33K miles for 11500 I may go look at as well.

I think I'm going to rule out the 2012. Just seems like a risk with the battery.

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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:54 am

Any advice would be fantastic. I am sure there are 100s of things i am not thinking about, so i want to make sure i am prepared.


Take a deep breath, wait a bit and spend the time to look through this Forum. At a minimum, you should check out the main battery's health with LeafSpy - this will give you a much better idea of whether or not this is a good price. The health of the main battery is critical to valuation.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:07 am

ETnSA wrote:It is a 2015 Leaf S. 19K miles for 12599.

I found a 2015 Leaf S at the Local Nissan place with 33K miles for 11500 I may go look at as well.

I think I'm going to rule out the 2012. Just seems like a risk with the battery.


The later cars have a much better heater/defrost system as well.

Is the 2012 cheap enough so you are paid to worry about the battery? I'm aware of a 4 bar loser 2011 from California sold in Washington. Asking price was $5k. New owner needs about 6 miles of range, should be good for that for a long time. Even in winter. Near Bellingham.

Where do you live? I have rather different advice for someone in Las Vegas than for someone in Bellingham. Please add it to your profile.

RE Leafspy: Useful tool, but only as good as the car's BMS estimates. Which are not that accurate. The reported capacity and health numbers can be impacted a lot by driving style and more by 10% or more.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:37 am

I second the advice to read this forum for a while ... say, at least a month.
Try other threads from people thinking about a used LEAF.

I paid $8,300 for my car when it was under 3 years old and the battery was in excellent condition.
I tried to sell the car through local adverts in June (after 17 months ownership) and received one offer for $7000. The battery has 12/12 capacity bars.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:41 am

SageBrush wrote:I second the advice to read this forum for a while ... say, at least a month.
Try other threads from people thinking about a used LEAF.

I paid $8,300 for my car when it was under 3 years old and the battery was in excellent condition.


There is a wide range of personalities and opinions here, which requires some time and thought to sort out.

Used Leaf prices have risen with gasoline prices over the past year or so. Don't expect the kind of deals that people got last year.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:00 am

Get a Carfax report for any LEAF you are considering and rule out any that originated in hot climates as heat kills the LEAF battery pack faster than anything else.

Also, you might get a better deal on a 2013 or 2014 but, like others stated, the condition of the battery pack is everything and you can really only assess that properly using a combination of LeafSpy and an extended road test (lots of threads on these forums on how to do that).

If you can find a 2013/2014 SV with the quick charge package, priced under $12k, that's what I would buy (assuming it's got a healthy battery pack).

Note that very few 2013s will still have 12/12 capacity bars, so make sure you checkout those with LeafSpy and a road test to rule out a BMS reset.
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:12 am

I second the advice to read this forum for a while ... say, at least a month.
Try other threads from people thinking about a used LEAF.

I paid $8,300 for my car when it was under 3 years old and the battery was in excellent condition.
I tried to sell the car through local adverts this June after 17 months ownership and received one offer for $7000. The battery has 12/12 capacity bars.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
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Re: 2012 vs 2015 Leaf - Debating on Purchase

Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:50 am

Thanks for all of the sound advice so far.

I have went ahead and ruled out the 12 and the 15 was already sold. I am on to look at others. I have a hold on a 2013 with 40K miles at a Nissan dealer in town. It is a fully loaded SV and has 11/12 bars on the battery left. Originated in San Diego CA and has only been in San Antonio for a few months.

They are asking 11k For it and I am going to look at it today. Seems like the price is a little high, but perhaps they will negotiate. They also have a 2015 with 5K miles on it for 14800. That price is a little more than I want to spend, but maybe its worth it?

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