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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:43 pm

Welcome, 1ahayward! I parked my 2017 Leaf S last January outside in the driveway for 5 days:
- low -15F, high -5F
- low -14F, high -6F
- low -13F, high 1F
- low -10F, high 1F
- low 0F, high 6F

All good temperatures for bomber kick with Special Green ;)

It only had a modest loss of SOC for the battery heater... maybe a few percent. I didn't have notes about the SOC when I'd parked it, but it hardly seemed any lower when I returned.

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SalisburySam
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:52 am

1ahayward wrote:I bought the 2018 Leaf last night. We're having typical December weather here in Minnesota: 20's (F) for highs and single digits for lows. It will get colder. My daily commute is 13 miles round trip. I've been advised by my local electric company that my detached, unheated garage's regular 120V outlet ought to handle the car's charging needs - at least until I see how I really use it. I have a friend in St. Paul who has used Trickle for the entire time she's owned her 2016 Leaf. I'd appreciate other folks' experience with this issue. I think I'm particularly worrying about the car sitting outside all day when it's really cold (windchill of -20's is common) in January and the battery isn't fully charged.

IMHO, you don’t have a problem. Since your commute needs are low, 120v charging overnight refreshes your consumption easily. And if plugged in you’re set to pre-condition the car before your morning drive albeit with some range loss. Being outside all day will not be factor for the vehicle operation. Again with your short commute, you should be able to pre-condition your car before your trip home as well.

Some suggestions:
1- ensure your 120v outlet can handle the sustained charging current. If installed to today’s code, it should. Also check what other things are connected to that circuit and whether they would be in use simultaneously when charging.
2- Take others’ advice and charge to 80% for your typical charging, and 100% only when you need it and then only shortly before you need it. My LEAF has an 80% charging setting, I don’t know if your 2018 does but can be approximated manually.
3- Should your commute needs change to something longer than today, that would be a good time to consider a 240v charging station set up. You said the garage is detached so you are facing costs to run sufficient power to the garage itself, possibly a garage load center (circuit breaker box), heavier gauge wires, outlet of your choosing to match or hard-wire your selected charging station, the charging station itself, permits, and so on. For the experienced, this can be a DIY but for most of us it’s a licensed electrician. The advantage is much faster charging and in MN being able to pre-heat/cool from shore power without range loss.
4- Get and use LEAFSpyPro. Seriously. Just do it.

Good luck with your new LEAF! And please share your experiences with this forum to help us all.
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:21 pm

Hi, Just to add my two pen'orth.
We've a 2015 leaf with 85k on it. Here in sunny Nova Scotia it gets pretty cold (down to -20 centigrade without windchill) and we've not had a problem. Only started garaging it last year, and only then if a snow storm was forecast. 240v does make life a lot easier tho'
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:35 pm

Here's a unique cold weather problem. I charged my 2018 Leaf overnight outdoors in the rain. The next morning I closed it up and there was a sudden cold snap -- temperatures down to single digits. Now my charging port hood is frozen shut, no apparent way to open it. Temps are supposed to go up into the 40s tomorrow so I assume it will open, but I'm lucky I have a gas car in the meantime.

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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Obitsman wrote:Here's a unique cold weather problem. I charged my 2018 Leaf overnight outdoors in the rain. The next morning I closed it up and there was a sudden cold snap -- temperatures down to single digits. Now my charging port hood is frozen shut, no apparent way to open it. Temps are supposed to go up into the 40s tomorrow so I assume it will open, but I'm lucky I have a gas car in the meantime.


You should be able to open it by pouring a pitcher of warm (not really hot) water over it slowly.
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:32 pm

I had it rain then drop down to 20F.
A little bit of convincing the charging door came open.
I figured if it didn't cooperate I would get a heat lamp and and a utility light stand, or hair dryer or heat gun, just not a propane torch.
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:20 pm

Heat guns are generally too hot for cold painted surfaces. I've used pitchers of lukewarm water on iced windshields for many years without incident. You just have to remember that the colder the surface is, the cooler the water needs to be.
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:56 pm

Obitsman wrote:Here's a unique cold weather problem. I charged my 2018 Leaf overnight outdoors in the rain. The next morning I closed it up and there was a sudden cold snap -- temperatures down to single digits. Now my charging port hood is frozen shut, no apparent way to open it. Temps are supposed to go up into the 40s tomorrow so I assume it will open, but I'm lucky I have a gas car in the meantime.

I had been driving in freezing rain for a while on Monday 2019-01-21 and stopped at a public Level 2 charging station. The lid on the charging port would not open. It was making the usual noise, but the lid stayed closed. Eventually I figured out that the lid was indeed getting unlatched but the spring which normally pops the lid open was not strong enough to overcome the accumulated ice. I thought of prying it open with a screwdriver, but I didn't want to chance damaging the paint, and I had no screwdriver anyway. [Thinking of it now, I wonder if a credit card would have done it.] The solution I used was to thread a string (acually earbuds' wire) under one corner of the lid and use that to pull the front of the lid up while pressing the unlatch button on the key fob. That worked fine, with no heating necessary.

Edit 2019-01-31: An ice scraper's plastic blade works great for prying the lid open when the spring's not enough, as happened once again during the polar vortex cold snap now ending.
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:50 pm

I have the same problem when it's cold when it comes to opening the charging door. I'm going to look for a rubber wedge to pry it open for those occasions. Do you think this is a big enough issue that they'd put a stronger spring or whatever it's lacking so the door pops open in cold weather? Do we make a petition or something?
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Re: Cold climate owners' experience wanted

Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:27 pm

BuffaloBillsfan wrote:I have the same problem when it's cold when it comes to opening the charging door. I'm going to look for a rubber wedge to pry it open for those occasions. Do you think this is a big enough issue that they'd put a stronger spring or whatever it's lacking so the door pops open in cold weather? Do we make a petition or something?


Nissan seems to listen to some suggestions while ignoring others of equal or greater validity. Let them know about it, put don't put in a lot of effort.
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