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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:19 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I'm inclined to doubt it. The S was designed as a more stripped model, and the heat pump deletion was about half of the cost savings for Nissan, I'd bet. If they'd offered it in Canada they likely would have offered it in Europe as well.


Actually, per Nissan UK's website, they do have the heatpump on the base "Acenta" model for 2019: "Energy-saving cabin heating system with Heat pump"

https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-v ... html#modal then click on "All Features" for each trim level, it's found under "Comfort and Convenience"

UK Leafs also include heated seats/steering wheel, and the Quick Charge package across all trims.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:33 pm

Interesting, but it appears to me that the Accenta is a base SV, not an S. Why? It has telematics as well as the heatpump. Unless we see evidence of a Canadian S with heatpump, I'm going to assume that the S isn't sold in Europe.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Interesting, but it appears to me that the Accenta is a base SV, not an S. Why? It has telematics as well as the heatpump. Unless we see evidence of a Canadian S with heatpump, I'm going to assume that the S isn't sold in Europe.


The Canadian-spec Leaf S also has included features that the US version does not have as standard, including Quick Charge, the dual-voltage EVSE, and heated seats/steering wheel. And that I can verify: https://www.nissan.ca/en/electric-cars/ ... ns-specs/#!

My point is, you can't compare trim levels across international borders. The manufacturer network for each country specifies the equipment and features for each car that they think is best (or possibly legally required) for each country. So just because it's not standard or available in the US doesn't mean a similar (or similarly-named) trim level in another country will be identically equipped.

VW is the same way. In the US, the eGolf SEL comes standard with a heat pump. Yet in the UK, surprisingly it's a £830 option. Heated seats and an electrically heated windshield are also surprisingly optional (£320 and £300 respectively) for UK-spec cars when it's standard on even the cloth-seated SE and LE versions in the US.

I'm also old enough to remember that growing up in California, there was a time when our cars were differently equipped than the rest of the country when it came to powertrains, due to our emissions requirements. There were engines we couldn't get that were easily available elsewhere, and in a few cases we had engine choices that were not available in the other 49 (example: Chevy Monza with the 5.7L V8 was a California-only car -- my brother had one). Some cars could even be had in the other 49 states without a catalytic converter as late as 1980 but that was a requirement in California from about 1974 onward. A similar reality exists today in the plug-in world...there are cars available at my local dealers that you can't get in your part of the country.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:17 pm

I understand all of that. I'm saying that the S was introduced in 2013 as a way to get the Leaf base price under $30k, and they did this by not equipping it with the heat pump or telematics. All Leafs had the heated seats (front only, later) and wheel from 2013 until 2017. I now think that the S was for the US market in particular, since production of US Leafs also began here for 2013. If there are Canadian S trim Leafs with no telematics and a heat pump, then I'll know I was wrong.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:32 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I understand all of that. I'm saying that the S was introduced in 2013 as a way to get the Leaf base price under $30k, and they did this by not equipping it with the heat pump or telematics. All Leafs had the heated seats (front only, later) and wheel from 2013 until 2017. I now think that the S was for the US market in particular, since production of US Leafs also began here for 2013. If there are Canadian S trim Leafs with no telematics and a heat pump, then I'll know I was wrong.


Despite what you believe, I do think the "Acenta" version is similar in Europe, though with more content to suit consumer (and possibly regulatory) demands of the EU. But de-contenting doesn't always work across borders either; in Canada you can get some cars (Nissan Micra and VW Jetta come to mind) withOUT air conditioning, something unfathomable in the US today. Consumer demands are why stick shifts are a disappearing feature in US-spec cars aside from sports cars, ultra-cheap cars (though it's disappearing fast there too), and trucks.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:41 pm

Despite what you believe, I do think the "Acenta" version is similar in Europe, though with more content to suit consumer (and possibly regulatory) demands of the EU.


A Leaf S with telematics and heat pump is different from an SV without Premium Package how, exactly...? They can call it whatever they like, but if it walks like an SV, and quacks like an SV...
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:44 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Despite what you believe, I do think the "Acenta" version is similar in Europe, though with more content to suit consumer (and possibly regulatory) demands of the EU.


A Leaf S with telematics and heat pump is different from an SV without Premium Package how, exactly...? They can call it whatever they like, but if it walks like an SV, and quacks like an SV...


Because Nissan UK has 3 trim levels like us, just called different names. If it's really an SV, they wouldn't need the middle trim level, they'd make that trim level simply an option package.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 pm

RonDawg wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
Despite what you believe, I do think the "Acenta" version is similar in Europe, though with more content to suit consumer (and possibly regulatory) demands of the EU.


A Leaf S with telematics and heat pump is different from an SV without Premium Package how, exactly...? They can call it whatever they like, but if it walks like an SV, and quacks like an SV...


Because Nissan UK has 3 trim levels like us, just called different names. If it's really an SV, they wouldn't need the middle trim level, they'd make that trim level simply an option package.


Look at it this way: if they have no S trim in Europe, then they'd have a base SV equivalent called the Accenta, a mid-level trim like our SV with premium, and a top end trim like the SL. I see no issue with that.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 pm

Let's compare a US spec Leaf S to a UK spec Leaf Acenta, and how they stack up to a US spec Leaf SV:

Wheels: On both specs: 16 inch wheels and 205/155/16 tires. US-spec S is steel with wheel covers, UK-spec Acenta is alloy. US-spec SV has the same [b]17[/b inch alloy wheels as the US-spec SL.

Seats: both specs cloth seat trim, but UK spec has heated seats and wheel as a standard feature. US-spec SV seats also cloth but heat for both seats and wheel is optional.

Infotainment: US spec has a 5 inch touch screen, no NAV. UK-spec Acenta has the same 7 inch touch screen with Car Play/Android Auto and built-in NAV as the US-spec SV.

Headlights: US-spec S is halogen, UK-spec Acenta is LED (which is optional on US-spec SV)

I don't have time to go over each individual spec, but while the base model in the UK isn't de-contented to the level of the base model in the US, I would hardly call it "equivalent" to the US-spec SV. More like a heavily-optioned S (though some features are not available even as an option for US-spec Leaf S). But in reality it's just "the base model in the UK", whatever it's called.
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Re: Getting a Leaf, looking for advice between S and SV

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:06 pm

I'm going to make two more observations, then drop this. First, the US SV came with 16" wheels until 2015 - I wasn't trying to compare 2018 to 2018 model year only. IIRC, the OP was looking at used Leafs* and I was looking across the years at differences in used Leafs. Second, the two critical differences between an S and an SV are the heatpump (now an option on the US SV) and telematics. Things like heated seats don't strike me as a critical difference when they are standard on one version and optional on another.

* "I am looking at used cars, the new ones are a bit too much to spend on a car that isn't driven much."
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