alembic42
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Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:52 am

Hi all, i've been struggling with my nissan leaf for 4 years now. I contacted nissan in 2016 and they told me that they won't help until my battery goes below 9 bars, which they say represents a capacity loss of 28-30%. i have leafspy and it states my SOH is about 69.5%. I have 9 bars. I don't believe the bars mean a damn thing.

In 2016, the Nissan people i spoke to told me that even if the warranty runs out when it gets to 8 bars, they'll still have an out of warranty program to help me. Now apparently they do not.

Nissan and its dealer have repeatedly lied to me, and i find their conduct absolutely abusive. Fraud is a felony and these people all belong in prison. They are obviously unafraid of any consequences for their criminal conduct.

My car is a 2012 Leaf. I bought it in 2015 with very low miles (now i know why). I just took a closer look at the class action lawsuit covering 2012 leaf cars, and i realize that I am not a member of this class because i don't live in Arizona or California. Don't i have just as much of a claim as the class members, and doesn't this mean that i can still sue them?

Can anyone recommend a lawyer in Pennsylvania who can help me with this? And hopefully get paid by Nissan not by me??

Also what can i do, practically speaking, short of spending $7500 on a battery for my $2000 car?

finally, when i charge normally, according to leafspy my car only charges to about 90%. But when i set the limit to 80%, it charges to 80% on leafspy. So what does this percentage mean and how do i charge to 100%?

Thanks in advance

SageBrush
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:03 am

1. Nissan sucks, but do yourself a favor and do not waste your money on lawyers.
2. You are screwed. If it makes you feel any better, you are not alone. Next time buy a battery that will last, meaning the company has a good reputation and the battery has heat management.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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alembic42
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:25 am

i mean surely i won't be buying any kind of Nissan again... but honestly i'm not looking to buy ANY car right now.

i am looking for a more detailed answer. For example how do i obtain a used/refurbished 2015 battery for my 2012 leaf?

i hope that the nissan ceo spends a LONG LONG time in japanese prison. I'm glad to see him in prison for financial crimes, but his crimes against little people like us need to count, not just his crimes against the finance system!!

mtndrew1
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:09 am

I don’t believe there is any way in the US to get a Leaf battery other than via a dealer or a junk yard.

Good luck.
2018 Tesla Model 3 Long Range (100% charge @ 20k miles shows 1.3% degradation)

2013 Nissan Leaf S + QC sold with warranty pack replacement (~35% degradation @ ~40k miles)

2015 Kia Soul EV+ Lease returned 10/14/17 45,000 miles w/ 13.8% degradation.

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LTLFTcomposite
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:42 pm

You got four years out of a $2000 car? Doesn't sound bad at all.
LTL
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[35 months] [35K miles] [9 Bars]
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smkettner
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:28 pm

Better to just move on. I recommend Tesla, Jaguar I-Pace, or Chevrolet Bolt. The anxiety and anger will ruin your life.
LEAF is what it is. Live with it or move on.
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Oilpan4
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:33 pm

Instead of fighting nissan which may not work out try to find a wrecked car to get a better battery and matching VCM from.

Now you know the reason these cars get so cheap so fast.
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cwerdna
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 pm

alembic42 wrote:i have leafspy and it states my SOH is about 69.5%. I have 9 bars. I don't believe the bars mean a damn thing.

In 2016, the Nissan people i spoke to told me that even if the warranty runs out when it gets to 8 bars, they'll still have an out of warranty program to help me. Now apparently they do not.

Nissan and its dealer have repeatedly lied to me, and i find their conduct absolutely abusive. Fraud is a felony and these people all belong in prison. They are obviously unafraid of any consequences for their criminal conduct.

My car is a 2012 Leaf. I bought it in 2015 with very low miles (now i know why). I just took a closer look at the class action lawsuit covering 2012 leaf cars, and i realize that I am not a member of this class because i don't live in Arizona or California. Don't i have just as much of a claim as the class members, and doesn't this mean that i can still sue them?

Can anyone recommend a lawyer in Pennsylvania who can help me with this?

Nissan has never publicly acknowledged nor given any info about ANY of the values that Leaf Spy can render. Given that, one cannot assert the the SOH value Is the remaining capacity.

The capacity warranty that came about due to the Klee class action lawsuit is by capacity bars. When the Leaf shipped, it had NO capacity warranty at all.

As for "its dealer", in many/most (?) parts of the US, due to state franchise laws, automakers cannot own dealers. Google for tesla franchise laws.

As for class action lawsuit, the settlement didn't apply only to CA and AZ only. AFAIK, it applied to all Leaf owners model years 2011 and 2012. I am not a lawyer, but AFAIK, unless you opted out of the settlement, you will have to abide by it, which likely includes not being able to bring about your own litigation on this. Yes, it truly sucks that Nissan stopped their goodwill program where they helped out of capacity warranty folks w/the cost of a new battery.

While I wouldn't recommend an i-Pace... I tend to agree with smkettner. Just move on. Otherwise, you'll want to find a pack in better shape in which you could hook up or swap in all the modules from. See posts by Cor at viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21997.

I recently bought a '19 Bolt Premier because I became aware of heavy discounting (viewtopic.php?p=547317#p547317) even though I'm no fan of GM (family has had 3 GM vehicles before, none were very good in terms of reliability). I'm not pissed at Nissan and am still somewhat of a fan of them (current Leaf is my 4th Nissan and is still down only 1 capacity bar). I just plan to be an EV only household with only 1 vehicle. The 40 kWh Leaf and for the price just doesn't quite meet my needs.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

garsh
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:08 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:You got four years out of a $2000 car? Doesn't sound bad at all.

He's lamenting the fact that it's only worth $2000 on trade-in.
It sounds quite bad.
2012 Black SV, bought 2012-04-04, sold 2019-05-10. 7 bars, 101,850 miles.
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cwerdna
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:25 am

garsh wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:You got four years out of a $2000 car? Doesn't sound bad at all.

He's lamenting the fact that it's only worth $2000 on trade-in.
It sounds quite bad.

I guess so. I looked back and the OP had posted a rant back in Oct 2016: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=22824. Apparently, a bunch of us (including me) responded to it.

Meanwhile, my 5/2013 built '13 Leaf still has 11 capacity bars, SOH at ~82.xx to 83.xx% at a bit past 63K miles. It lost its 1st bar in Nov 2017.

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