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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:24 am

The Original Poster bought a 3-4 year old used Leaf, and used it for 4 years. It now needs a battery. The OP now wants to sue for damages.. Sounds like an Open And Shut Case....

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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:22 am

For that, and many other reasons, just scratch Nissan off your list permanently and move on...
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am

OMG, OP buys used car out of warranty and a part wears out? Get the supreme Court on the line! We need justice and we need it now!
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:46 am

I find it rather alarming that there is so much animosity toward the OP. The majority of Leaf owners have not spent years here learning about all of the pros and cons of this car. Many bought the hype and thought what a neat vehicle this is.

The mistake that many of us made was thinking this could be a car that would last many years as a very usable vehicle and at the end of the day would provide a lot of value. But, $8000 for a battery in a $2000 vehicle!

My 2011 has 7 bars left and only has 34K mi. It would scare me to think what it is worth. Fortunately for me I live in Hawaii. I really do not have a need for a heater, because we all know how bad that is. Also, my 10kw pv system takes care of all of my charging needs. All of the trips I take are less than 40 mi. round trip.

For my situation the Leaf works but I could see where people would find animosity towards Nissan. We took a chance on this in the hope that Nissan would be a good partner in this endeavor. We have found out that they really have not.
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:54 am

No animosity toward the OP, just a slap of common sense. No manufacturer of ANY product is going to warrant something for an open ended period of time.
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:58 am

The pre-1918 Leaf should not be considered in the same league as more modern electric cars like the Bolt, etc. At their best, there is no way the original Leaf had the range to be used for anything more than errands and possibly commuting.

My only complaint is that Nissan has proprietary software in their battery management. As I understand it, Nissan dealers will not install a used battery and the battery will not work if it is installed by anyone but a Nissan dealer.

Nissan offers no help on battery replacement, even in California, beyond their stated warranty. My 2012 was down to 6 bars at 80,000 miles.

First; My 2012 Leaf was a really nice car with a range of 40 miles for $4,000 is a pretty good deal, especially for those not willing or able to commit to the price of a Tesla, Bolt, etc. It is an ideal car for those needing a car for local use and wanting to avoid the expensive maintenance of a cheap gasoline car.

Then, consider how cheaply you can buy a used Leaf. I paid $8.000 for my 2015 with about 30,000 miles. It looks and drives like a new car. One cannot compare the range of my $8,000 Leaf to a new Leaf or a Bolt costing 4 times as much. When the Leaf was introduced in 2011, it was either about $35,000 Leaf or over $100,000 for a Tesla Roadster. (Or a Model S Complaining about the range of a pre-2018 Leaf is like complaining about the performance and driveability of any other old car when compared to a new car. It's like expecting quality merchandise from Wally Mart. People shop there for the price, not the quality.

So, if you can afford and are willing to commit your retirement money to a Tesla, Jag or a new Leaf just do it and don't complain about the performance of the old Leaf. It was the first affordable mass-produced electric car. It's old technology. We have a Leaf in the museum along with Ford Model Ts and even a 100-year-old electric car.

I'll drive my cheap Leaf with a 70-mile range and save my money for traveling, classic cars and other fun things.

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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:33 am

OrientExpress wrote:No animosity toward the OP, just a slap of common sense. No manufacturer of ANY product is going to warrant something for an open ended period of time.


Nissan and their affiliated dealerships made claims about the Leaf's range and battery life that were untrue. They also offered NO warranty on the battery - just those claims of exaggerated range and greatly understated capacity loss. That meant that everyone who ever owned a 2011/2012 Leaf with OEM battery, new or used, would be harmed by Nissan. That called for financial assistance with replacing those defective batteries, made through March of 2013, for the life of the car.
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:18 pm

OrientExpress wrote:No animosity toward the OP, just a slap of common sense. No manufacturer of ANY product is going to warrant something for an open ended period of time.

Of course not. On the other hand OP has a piece of junk at 35k miles. Even the worst of the worse junk from Russia is not that bad.
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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:56 pm

downeykp wrote:The mistake that many of us made was thinking this could be a car that would last many years as a very usable vehicle and at the end of the day would provide a lot of value. But, $8000 for a battery in a $2000 vehicle!
My 2011 has 7 bars left and only has 34K mi. It would scare me to think what it is worth.


The wrong way to evaluate, imho. It's not a matter of whether the new battery price is justified by the market value of the car (with worn-out battery). It's whether or not the new battery (which should give much better service than the original) is worth the price. The vehicle itself is basically already fully depreciated. You've already taken that hit.

With 34K mi, it's safe to say the vehicle itself can provide many more years and miles of service. So factor the $8000 over the miles/years you could expect the newly refurbished vehicle to provide service.

bradleydad wrote:Then, consider how cheaply you can buy a used Leaf. I paid $8.000 for my 2015 with about 30,000 miles. It looks and drives like a new car.


A very important point for OP to consider. The LEAF battery problems were factored into the price of the used car. In effect you were already compensated for those shortcomings when purchasing the used vehicle.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Need new battery, nissan sucks

Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 pm

LeftieBiker wrote: Nissan and their affiliated dealerships made claims about the Leaf's range and battery life that were untrue. They also offered NO warranty on the battery - just those claims of exaggerated range and greatly understated capacity loss. That meant that everyone who ever owned a 2011/2012 Leaf with OEM battery, new or used, would be harmed by Nissan. That called for financial assistance with replacing those defective batteries, made through March of 2013, for the life of the car.


I don't recall Nissan corporate making false claims about range. I recall them giving results of testing that didn't reflect typical real-world use cases for North American drivers, and of course hoping that had a certain psychological effect on less-discerning consumers. And of course car salesmen will say almost anything. As always it pays to do research on a major purchase. I'd frequented this forum, and did not have unreasonable expectations.

Also, to give credit where it's due I do recall their literature during the Launch Events directly addressing the issue of range vs. driving needs and actually making conservative recommendations about such things as a reasonable commute distance for the car.

As far as battery life, not sure if they were lying or simply relying on inadequate testing. They certainly weren't guaranteeing anything. The complete lack of capacity warranty was a major red flag. As they didn't have the confidence to stand behind the battery, I chose to lease.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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