danix
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Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 8:38 am

I've had a Volt, Fiat 500e, currently have an I3, and when I saw this Leaf for sale at a local estate sale, I bought it.
Since its purchase by the former owner in 2013, it has covered a whopping 1000 miles. I think the front tires are still original based on the DOT codes and rears have been replaced.

It's most likely going to be for my younger daughter who currently "borrows" my I3. Funny though, neither daughter is excited by the prospect of a Leaf. Kids...

Unlike those other cars, I know very little about the Leaf so advice is appreciated (and yes I will search).
  • 2013 Leaf SL
    30k miles
    Has bose, heated steering wheel and seats, navigation.
    16" wheels
Was last sold as a CPO car in 2013, I'm trying to get that warranty transferred to me (but wondering what specifically on a Leaf is covered)
I read about Leafspy, and here is the info I pulled. Help interpreting it would be appreciated.

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Thanks in advance.
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Re: bought a leaf

Sat May 04, 2019 12:23 pm

Two things: first, this is an early build 2013, with the older battery chemistry, and the battery is in terrible shape. 61% of the original capacity remains. Your available range is maybe 30 miles. I hope that it wasn't expensive, and that your range needs are small... There is one version of the CPO warranty that may cover the battery. IF you can get it transferred, please post what it says about the drive ("traction") battery.

Second, this topic is too general and similar to other topics. How about changing the title in your first post to something like "Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity" so I can leave it as-is otherwise?
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Re: bought a leaf

Sat May 04, 2019 12:57 pm

61% SOH should comfortably provide 35 miles range, up to 45 if you're driving like grandpa. 20-25 miles in the winter with the heat on.

The car is exclusively local driving.

Rely heavily on the heated seats and steering wheel in the winter. They use way less power than the main heater.

Can be a very fun to drive short range car. We saved $800 last year in gas on ours (57 battery health) just using it to go to the grocery store and events, etc.

The range estimator is highly inaccurate at that battery health. It will massively overestimate range until you start driving. Don't be alarmed when you lose 20 miles in the first 5 miles. The drop-off will slow down.

A new battery would make that a very nice car.
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Re: bought a leaf

Sat May 04, 2019 1:09 pm

Yes, the battery capacity is down quite a bit--probably 60% to 65% of original. Since the car has not been driven much, the capacity may improve slightly with frequent use. A mix of highway and city driving will probably cover 30 miles or so before the first low battery warning (except in really cold temperatures). I normally get 5-10 miles after LBW before the very low battery warning (VLBW) and then another 5-10 miles if needed to get home. Leaf Spy displays remaining capacity until the end, but the Nissan dash displays go to--- at VLBW. If it has not already been done, a cellular modem 3G upgrade is needed to make remote access functional (along with an EV Connect account with Nissan). Check the tires carefully for sidewall cracking or other damage/deterioration not related to miles. Also, check the age and condition of the 12-volt battery because the LEAF's control modules can do really bizarre things and prevent driving if the battery voltage is too low. Enjoy the car, it should be good for quite a few miles of use (other than limited traction battery capacity).
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danix
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 1:54 pm

Renamed the thread per request.

35 miles? That's ridiculous. Hmm, that's not what I was hoping to hear.

The car is a CPO car with warranty through 4/6/2020 (original in service date was 4/6/13).
Warranty is Nissan "Limited Warranty" with a $50 per visit deductible.
Model on the form says Leaf S but I am pretty sure this is an SL.
It's not clear if CPO covers the EV components or not.

However... going through paperwork, the previous owner paid $1895 for another warranty:
Service Contract with Roadside Security+ Gold Preferred $0 per visit
Expiration 4/6/2020, or 100k miles
Exclusions says "Nissan Electric Vehicle lithium-ion battery" is excluded but covered by 8yr/100k original warranty.
And "Any component of an electric vehicle is not covered by this VSC".

So, I've got potentially 3 warranties here: original EV battery warranty, Nissan CPO warranty, and Security+Gold.

Will ANY of these get me a new battery?

I paid $6000 for the car and thought I got a good deal. The estate sale company told me the battery was "at 75%" but I think they were just looking at the dash indicator.

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 2:09 pm

$6k isn't terrible for an SL or loaded SV with low capacity. Does it have a solar panel on the roof? Leather interior? That's an SL. Cloth seats and a Navigation/infotainment console make it an SV, and no Nav plus steel wheels with wheel covers would make it an S. A Bose stereo with subwoofer in the rear and 4 cameras on the outside of the car would indicate the Premium Package, which is very nice.

As quoted, I don't think the warranties will help you, but I'll look into that further. Does any of the paperwork say "Gold Preferred"?
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 2:23 pm

danix wrote: Was last sold as a CPO car in 2013, I'm trying to get that warranty transferred to me (but wondering what specifically on a Leaf is covered)
Nissan's official CPO warranty provides very little: https://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa ... es-program.

Agreed that your battery is in terrible shape. FWIW, my 5/2013 '13 used Leaf (bought it in July 2015) lost its 1st capacity bar in Nov 2017. I'm still at 11 bars and my SOH is around 82.xx%.

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 2:40 pm

danix wrote:35 miles? That's ridiculous.
Agreed
Will ANY of these get me a new battery?
Nope
I paid $6000 for the car and thought I got a good deal.
**cough**
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11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 3:07 pm

danix wrote:Model on the form says Leaf S but I am pretty sure this is an SL.
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I paid $6000 for the car and thought I got a good deal. The estate sale company told me the battery was "at 75%" but I think they were just looking at the dash indicator.
If it doesn't have a black leather interior and the solar panel on the rear spoiler, it's not an SL.

What's the build month on the driver's side door sticker?

If it's an a '13 SL w/premium (which adds the Bose stereo and thus the Bose subwoofer module in the trunk), hmmm... $6K isn't horrible but isn't particularly great either.

How many capacity bars do you have remaining, including the red ones? It's the thinnest ones all the way on the right. http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wp-c ... bars_s.jpg is an example of a fully charged 3 bar loser (9 capacity bars remaining). I'm guessing you have a 7 or 6 capacity bar car. See http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/wiki ... ture_Gauge under Battery Capacity Behavior for a table derived from the '11 service manual. It was removed from service manuals of later Leafs for an unknown reason.

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Re: Bought a 2013 Leaf With Low Capacity

Sat May 04, 2019 3:50 pm

What's the build month on the driver's side door sticker?
Do we really even need to ask? Other than to see if it was built in 2012, maybe. If it wasn't built before April of 2013 I'll eat my thickest balaclava.

If the range suffices, as in it's just an 'around town' car, then it isn't a terrible deal, especially if it's an SL or optioned SV. It still has warranty coverage for most of the other things that typically fail, like the PTC heater and brake unit.
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