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Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:25 am

Was surprised to hear of this earlier today...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... argin-goal
"Ford Plans $11.5 Billion in Extra Cuts, Kills Most U.S. Cars" says
Ford said it won’t invest in new generations of sedans for the North American market, eventually reducing its car lineup to the Mustang and an all-new Focus Active crossover coming next year. By 2020, almost 90 percent of its portfolio in the region will be pickups, SUVs and commercial vehicles.

That means the end of the road for slow-selling sedans such as the Taurus, Fusion and Fiesta in the U.S. The automaker conspicuously left the Lincoln Continental and MKZ sedans off its hit list, but since those models share mechanical foundations with Ford siblings, their futures also are in doubt.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ ... 549463002/
"Ford announces $1.7B quarterly profit, deep cuts to car lineup" says
Ford, during its announcement Wednesday that it had a first-quarter profit of $1.7 billion, said its traditional car lineup soon will be trimmed to just the Mustang and a new Focus Active crossover that comes out next year.
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Ford’s decision to pull back on car production reflects a shift in consumer sentiment that has had an impact across the automotive industry.

The full-size Taurus, midsize Fusion, small Fiesta and wagon-like C-Max will no longer be sold in North America, Ford officials said. Exactly when these models will stop being sold in the market hasn't been announced.

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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:17 am

Yep, it's like they learned nothing from the 00's. As soon as all their big stupid SUVs are ready to sell, gas will spike as it always does and now they'll have nothing to compete. If only someone saw it coming... Again...
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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:19 pm

2k1Toaster wrote:Yep, it's like they learned nothing from the 00's. As soon as all their big stupid SUVs are ready to sell, gas will spike as it always does and now they'll have nothing to compete. If only someone saw it coming... Again...

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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:15 pm

This will be very lucrative in the near term and perhaps quite risky and foolish in the long term if fuel prices become volatile or consumer tastes change, not that those things ever happen.
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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:06 pm

I think that the issue is that few people want a Ford car any more, Mustang excepted. They may, if gas prices keep rising, sell re-badged Mazdas or some other Japanese or Korean brand.
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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:21 pm

2k1Toaster wrote:Yep, it's like they learned nothing from the 00's. As soon as all their big stupid SUVs are ready to sell, gas will spike as it always does and now they'll have nothing to compete. If only someone saw it coming... Again...


My first thought. And prices have already been going up. But it takes a lot of pain to give up the Family Truckster. In the meantime if people aren't buying sedans it doesn't make sense to keep producing them. The antidote is fuel economy standards -- the dreaded "Nanny State".
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:25 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:They may, if gas prices keep rising, sell re-badged Mazdas or some other Japanese or Korean brand.

Nah, that would never happen... /s
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:33 pm

IIRC, the Probe was a third kind of animal. Not a re-badged Asian car, but one with Asian guts and a Ford body. (I drove two of those, actually, Mercury Tracers, and liked the Ford body.) I'm talking more about an Asian car with a slightly different nose.
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Re: Ford plans to eliminate most passenger cars for US market, will focus on trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles

Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:45 pm

Where I live I'm one of very few people that owns a car instead of an SUV or truck. In fact, there are only three of us around here that even own EV's and one is actually getting rid of hers. People just seem to be addicted to SUV's and crossovers. Which makes no sense to me. I've put chains on my little 1985 VW Golf and pulled SUV's out of snow banks, even a 4WD Ford Explorer. I've driven here for over twenty years, including 5 years as a commercial driver, and have never seen the need for owning a 4WD anything, much less an SUV or Pickup, with the exception of those that have long unmaintained driveways. My parents never did either. In fact, when I was young, all we had were RWD cars and we never had a problem even with those. All you need are good tires and to drive sensibly.

But I can't remember how many times I'm at a stoplight and have to take off a bit slow in my 2WD on an icy day when all of a sudden some guy in an AWD crossover or SUV gets impatient and has to find a way to pass me. And there have been times that up further ahead he's now stuck in the snowbank or rolled over in the ditch. On one terribly icy day more than 12 trucks, SUVs and crossovers passed me and every single one was off the road up further ahead.

But as far as Ford goes it sounds like they haven't been making very good small transmissions lately. Both they and Nissan haven't. So maybe it's a good thing their giving up on that.

I'm guessing that EV's will take off around here once they start making them into affordable SUV's.
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Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:07 pm

IssacZachary wrote:Where I live I'm one of very few people that owns a car instead of an SUV or truck. In fact, there are only three of us around here that even own EV's and one is actually getting rid of hers. People just seem to be addicted to SUV's and crossovers. Which makes no sense to me. I've put chains on my little 1985 VW Golf and pulled SUV's out of snow banks, even a 4WD Ford Explorer. I've driven here for over twenty years, including 5 years as a commercial driver, and have never seen the need for owning a 4WD anything, much less an SUV or Pickup, with the exception of those that have long unmaintained driveways. My parents never did either. In fact, when I was young, all we had were RWD cars and we never had a problem even with those. All you need are good tires and to drive sensibly.

But I can't remember how many times I'm at a stoplight and have to take off a bit slow in my 2WD on an icy day when all of a sudden some guy in an AWD crossover or SUV gets impatient and has to find a way to pass me. And there have been times that up further ahead he's now stuck in the snowbank or rolled over in the ditch. On one terribly icy day more than 12 trucks, SUVs and crossovers passed me and every single one was off the road up further ahead.

But as far as Ford goes it sounds like they haven't been making very good small transmissions lately. Both they and Nissan haven't. So maybe it's a good thing their giving up on that.

I'm guessing that EV's will take off around here once they start making them into affordable SUV's.


I always tell people that for most cases it comes down to driver skill. Having a 4WD car or BROD (Battering-Ram-Of-Death like SUV) just hides the lack of skill giving their drivers a false sense of security making the inevitable crash much worse.

I too in both my Prius and Leaf have passed numerous abandoned vehicles up my "hill", which is a 2k+ ft elevation gain with some tricky s-bends into the neighbourhood. I see cars slid off the road on the downhill side, and parked along the uphill side, usually with nice wheel-locked-sliding-backwards-oh-god-please-dont-hit-anything going right to where it is. Obviously spooked, they walk.

In my Prius I have pulled people up the hill with chains on. On one day where it was just a thin layer of ice, no chains, I was making it up just fine, passed a 4WD large SUV stuck. The guy was shoveling someones flower garden with his survival-toolkit-shovel and throwing it onto the road for traction. I offered to drive his car up the worst bit where he was stuck from my Prius window. He told me to f*-off and that now I was stuck for stopping. I just rolled up my window, started slowly, and voila, went up the hill.

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