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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:56 am

DarthPuppy wrote:Via above linked GCR:
Stadler, the former chief of staff to VW's powerful former chairman Ferdinand Piech, had been handed the post as head of Audi in an effort to promote the automaker's transition to electric-car production. His arrest is likely to throw those restructuring efforts at VW into turmoil.

So did they just take their wolf and attempt to put sheep's clothing on him? Interesting way to try to protect the guy - give him a post where he will appear to be an environmentalist. And if he does get charged, they can use that distraction as an excuse for poor execution on the electrification program. :roll:


:lol:

It's like they want to fail. Won't we ever get beyond this?

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:08 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:If VW dies, the saddest part to me will be that I never got to drive an electric minibus.


VW won't die. They are too important to the German/EU economy. That is why they will not get more than a slap on the wrist. The worst for them will be a handful of high level execs and a bunch of insignificant middle players will get criminal charges. The company has plenty of people to back fill those losses so it won't really hurt them much and they clearly are willing to throw them under that minibus.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:59 am

World BIGGEST vehicle manufacturer will not die due to some edgy/emotional politicians and institutions.
Just saying that the whole company (with investors) already recovered from that "temporary hurdle".
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:57 am

ok, change "if VW dies" to "if VW's electric ambitions die"
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:21 am

No they won't. This is what people want. People want electric stuff no matter what :)
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:29 pm

arnis wrote:No they won't. This is what people want. People want electric stuff no matter what :)

No, only some people want (or care) about that. Most don't, and still need to be bribed to change.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:13 pm

GRA wrote:
arnis wrote: People want electric stuff no matter what :)

No, only some people want (or care) about that. Most don't, and still need to be bribed to change.


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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:22 am

Is 5% of population considerable reality? If so, then that is 300 000 electric cars from VW each year.

No need to mention "some". "Some" is more than 5%.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:19 pm

arnis wrote:Is 5% of population considerable reality? If so, then that is 300 000 electric cars from VW each year.

No need to mention "some". "Some" is more than 5%.

In the U.S. it's currently just over 1%, and that has taken a substantial amount of bribery. The take rate by country correlates closely with the level of subsidy, along with other perks (free parking, no or reduced tolls, access to HOV lanes) as well as government mandates and regulations (e.g. Chinese cities limiting the number of licenses per year, except for NEVs), or high taxes on fossil fuels and low taxes on electricity.
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