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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:51 am

Thats one of the things that made me laugh about hydrogen. People like to say it's only byproduct is water.
Since currently the only way to make it economically right now completely depends on fossil fuels, that's kind of funny.
But this seems to be very well understood here.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:13 pm

It doesn't necessarily need to be more efficient than SMR, just the same price or cheaper. In addition to the high-temp electrolysis research mentioned, There's also a lot of research on photo and thermo-chemical production, but as with all such research, who knows if or when it will be commercialized. See https://www.greencarcongress.com/hydrogen_production/

for numerous articles about R&D.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:54 pm

GCC:
Air Liquide takes 18.6% stake in Hydrogenics; “strategic investment” in carbon-free hydrogen
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/01/20190125-airliquide.html

. . . Air Liquide and Hydrogenics have also entered into a technology and commercial agreement to jointly develop PEM (Proton Exchange Membrane) electrolysis technologies for the rapidly growing hydrogen energy markets around the world. . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:09 pm

GCC:
Saudi Aramco and Air Products to build Saudi Arabia’s first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle fueling station; operational 2Q19
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/01/20190128-aramco.html

. . . Saudi Aramco and Air Products will establish a pilot fleet of fuel cell vehicles for which high-purity compressed hydrogen will be dispensed at the new fueling station.

Air Products’ proprietary SmartFuel hydrogen fueling technology will be incorporated into the new station to supply the vehicles with compressed hydrogen. The collected data during this pilot phase of the project will provide valuable information for the assessment of future applications of this emerging transport technology in the local environment. . . .

The hydrogen refueling station will be located within the grounds of Air Products Technology Center in the Dhahran Techno Valley Science Park.

Toyota Motor Corporation will supply Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Vehicles for testing in this pilot project.

Presumably SMR, but it doesn't say.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:49 pm

GCC:
Yara and ENGIE to test green hydrogen technology in fertilizer production
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190217-yaraengie.html

SQL errors, so I can't quote. Using green H2 instead of methane for ammonia production.


Also GCC:
Hyundai Mobis uses 5 Nexo fuel cell modules for emergency power generation system
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190214-mobis.html

Hyundai Mobis has connected 5 Nexo hydrogen fuel cells systems to form a power generation system with a maximum capacity of 450kW for use at its Chungju Plant. The system can deliver about 7% of the total power consumption of the Chungju Plant and can be used in emergencies or during peak time.

Hyundai Mobis has begun operating the hydrogen system on a pilot basis.

Hyundai Mobis used the Nexo fuel cell modules as is, and separately developed the parallel controller, thermal management system and uninterruptible power supply system (UPS), necessary for the power generator.

As many fuel cell modules as necessary can be connected to deliver the required emergency power and auxiliary power, which varies depending on the size of the building.

Starting with the pilot operation in the Chungju Plant, Hyundai Mobis is planning to install more emergency hydrogen power generation systems in other production bases at home and abroad.
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