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Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:28 am

"In what may be California’s last chance to build a “hydrogen highway” lined with thousands of high-tech vehicles emitting nothing but water vapor from their tailpipes, Gov. Jerry Brown has approved a plan to construct 100 hydrogen-fueling stations across the state by 2024."

"However, it comes with a catch. Motorists — not oil companies — will pay for it."

http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/2 ... en-highway
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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:38 am

$2M each. How many QCs would that be?
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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:20 am

4000

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'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

6.72 kW Array

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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:22 am

With so many large auto companies actively promoting hydrogen vehicles, the deck is stacked against anything but private QC installation...

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:$2M each. How many QCs would that be?
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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:44 am

Money is better spent on the high speed train to nowhere.
JMHO
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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:45 am

TomT wrote:With so many large auto companies actively promoting hydrogen vehicles, the desk is stacked against anything but private QC installation...

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:$2M each. How many QCs would that be?


Hydrogen can bomb for all I care. I'll never buy one. I can make my own fuel in my backyard. Actually, sourced from our shared hydrogen reactor 93 million miles away.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new

@ 25 months, 25k, 267 GID, 56.88 Ahr
@ 29 months, 29k, 286 GID, 60.88 Ahr
@ 31 months, 30.3k, 274 GID, 58.39 Ahr

6.72 kW Array

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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:52 am

Well, if you never need to drive further than a round-trip electric range from your house, I suppose that is all you need, yes... Many of us need to do more than just that, however, and require fuel sources (be it electric, hydrogen, gasoline, diesel, or CNG) away from home to do so...

And if you want to get technical, unless you are completely off the grid with your own storage, you are using the Power Company as a storage battery and they are anything but solar powered for the most part...

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:Hydrogen can bomb for all I care. I'll never buy one. I can make my own fuel in my backyard. Actually, sourced from our shared hydrogen reactor 93 million miles away.
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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:59 am

"Toyota proved with its massively popular hybrid Prius that California motorists are interested in alternative vehicles. In two years, the company plans to sell a hydrogen-powered sedan with a range of more than 300 miles for roughly $50,000. Hyundai, BMW, Nissan, Honda and Mercedes are also moving forward with hydrogen vehicles."

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Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:17 am

The big fly in that ointment is that the Prius did not require owners to do anything different than what they had always done... Not so with Hydrogen cars.

TonyWilliams wrote:"Toyota proved with its massively popular hybrid Prius that California motorists are interested in alternative vehicles. In two years, the company plans to sell a hydrogen-powered sedan with a range of more than 300 miles for roughly $50,000. Hyundai, BMW, Nissan, Honda and Mercedes are also moving forward with hydrogen vehicles."
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

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Re: California to get Hydrogen stations - and consumers to p

Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:25 am

I see hydrogen as a fleet fuel to compete with NG. And I don't think it stands a chance.
Hopefully CA will install a chademo at each hydrogen location to see what is used more. Maybe even the SAE QC version.
NG should also be installed to see what works with consumers.
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