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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:51 am

Thats one of the things that made me laugh about hydrogen. People like to say it's only byproduct is water.
Since currently the only way to make it economically right now completely depends on fossil fuels, that's kind of funny.
But this seems to be very well understood here.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:13 pm

It doesn't necessarily need to be more efficient than SMR, just the same price or cheaper. In addition to the high-temp electrolysis research mentioned, There's also a lot of research on photo and thermo-chemical production, but as with all such research, who knows if or when it will be commercialized. See https://www.greencarcongress.com/hydrogen_production/

for numerous articles about R&D.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Sat Jan 26, 2019 5:54 pm

GCC:
Air Liquide takes 18.6% stake in Hydrogenics; “strategic investment” in carbon-free hydrogen
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/01/20190125-airliquide.html

. . . Air Liquide and Hydrogenics have also entered into a technology and commercial agreement to jointly develop PEM (Proton Exchange Membrane) electrolysis technologies for the rapidly growing hydrogen energy markets around the world. . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:09 pm

GCC:
Saudi Aramco and Air Products to build Saudi Arabia’s first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle fueling station; operational 2Q19
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/01/20190128-aramco.html

. . . Saudi Aramco and Air Products will establish a pilot fleet of fuel cell vehicles for which high-purity compressed hydrogen will be dispensed at the new fueling station.

Air Products’ proprietary SmartFuel hydrogen fueling technology will be incorporated into the new station to supply the vehicles with compressed hydrogen. The collected data during this pilot phase of the project will provide valuable information for the assessment of future applications of this emerging transport technology in the local environment. . . .

The hydrogen refueling station will be located within the grounds of Air Products Technology Center in the Dhahran Techno Valley Science Park.

Toyota Motor Corporation will supply Toyota Mirai Fuel Cell Vehicles for testing in this pilot project.

Presumably SMR, but it doesn't say.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:49 pm

GCC:
Yara and ENGIE to test green hydrogen technology in fertilizer production
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190217-yaraengie.html

SQL errors, so I can't quote. Using green H2 instead of methane for ammonia production.


Also GCC:
Hyundai Mobis uses 5 Nexo fuel cell modules for emergency power generation system
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190214-mobis.html

Hyundai Mobis has connected 5 Nexo hydrogen fuel cells systems to form a power generation system with a maximum capacity of 450kW for use at its Chungju Plant. The system can deliver about 7% of the total power consumption of the Chungju Plant and can be used in emergencies or during peak time.

Hyundai Mobis has begun operating the hydrogen system on a pilot basis.

Hyundai Mobis used the Nexo fuel cell modules as is, and separately developed the parallel controller, thermal management system and uninterruptible power supply system (UPS), necessary for the power generator.

As many fuel cell modules as necessary can be connected to deliver the required emergency power and auxiliary power, which varies depending on the size of the building.

Starting with the pilot operation in the Chungju Plant, Hyundai Mobis is planning to install more emergency hydrogen power generation systems in other production bases at home and abroad.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:45 pm

GCC:
Industry group signs MOU to develop and test hydrogen fueling hardware for heavy-duty vehicles
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190221-h2.html

Hydrogen suppliers & fuel cell electric vehicle (FCEV) automakers, Air Liquide, Hyundai, NEL, Nikola Motor, Shell and Toyota have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for hydrogen fueling components for the purpose of testing state-of-the-art heavy duty (HD) hydrogen fueling hardware to assist in standardization and speed to market for fuel cell electric trucks.

Under the MOU, the cross-industry group of both vehicle and infrastructure companies will test pre-commercial 70MPa hydrogen heavy duty vehicle high flow (H70HF) fueling hardware for future Class 8 (40 Ton) trucks.

The industry group has created specifications for the fueling nozzle, vehicle receptacle, dispenser hose and breakaway device components for this HD application for the purpose of developing Request for Proposals to suppliers.

This industry group is requesting notification of suppliers’ intent to participate in a pre-commercial development and test program designed specifically for this fueling hardware. The fueling hardware samples will undergo performance tests in accordance with the appropriate SAE/ISO/CSA industry standards along with additional aspects for this emerging market. . . .

The partners are looking for fueling hardware suppliers interested in submitting proposals for this area. Any supplier interested in submitting a quotation for the pre-commercial HD Hydrogen Fueling Hardware development project should send an email by 4 March 2019 to: HDH2Hardware@HeavyDutyHydrogen.com.


Also GCC:
Ballard participating in H2PORTS project to demo hydrogen as alternative fuel in European ports; FCmove-HD
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190221-ballard.html

Ballard Power Systems is participating in the H2PORTS project, which is aimed at facilitating a rapid transition at European ports from fossil fuels to low-carbon, zero-emission alternatives based on hydrogen and fuel cells. (Earlier post.)

Earlier this month participants held the first technical meeting of the H2PORTS project, which is being coordinated by Valenciaport Foundation in close collaboration with the Port Authority of Valencia.

The project will test and validate hydrogen technologies for port machinery in order to achieve solutions that produce zero local emissions, without affecting the performance and safety of port operations. H2PORTS will allow these new prototypes to be demonstrated at the Grimaldi and MSC terminals in the Port of Valencia, which will become the first European port to incorporate hydrogen energy to reduce the environmental impact of its operations.

The H2PORTS project involves three pilot initiatives to bridge the gap between prototypes and pre-commercial products: (i) a fuel-cell-powered Reach Stacker for loading, unloading and transporting containers; (ii) a fuel-cell-powered Terminal Tractor for roll-on/roll-off shipping operations; and (iii) a Mobile Hydrogen Refueling Station to support this equipment.

The project will also carry out feasibility studies on the development of a sustainable hydrogen supply chain, coordinating all stakeholders including customers, hydrogen producers, and suppliers.

Ballard will provide the company's next-generation fuel cell module—the FCmove-HD, which is planned for commercial launch in mid-2019—to power the Reach Stacker. . . .

In addition to the Valenciaport Foundation, the Port Authority of Valencia, and Ballard Power Systems Europe A/S, other participants in H2PORTS include the Centro Nacional del Hidrógeno (National Hydrogen Centre), MSC Terminal Valencia, the Grimaldi Group, Hyster-Yale, Atena and Enagás.

H2PORTS will entail a total investment of €4 million, including European funding provided by the Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Joint Undertaking (FCH JU) program. . . .
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:36 pm

GCC:
Air Liquide, Idex, STEP, Toyota create HysetCo to promote development of hydrogen mobility in Paris region; 600 Hype H2 taxis by the end of 2020
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190222-hysetco.html

Air Liquide, Idex, Société du Taxi Électrique Parisien (STEP), and Toyota are teaming up through a joint-venture called HysetCo, the first company devoted to the development of hydrogen mobility in the Paris region.

This collaboration represents a milestone in the emergence of a hydrogen-based society in France and in the development of Hype, the world’s first fleet of zero-emission hydrogen-powered taxis, launched in 2015 during the COP21 and operated in Paris and throughout the Île-de-France region.

HysetCo will make it easier to roll out hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and their recharging infrastructure within the Île-de-France region in order to reach the objective of 600 taxis by the end of 2020. Toyota will deliver an additional 500 Mirais by the end of 2020, which will complete the existing fleet of 100 Hype vehicles.

This joint-venture covers two activities: The distribution of hydrogen and the development of mobility-related applications, with each stakeholder bringing their own expertise within this ecosystem.

The organization’s mission is to promote the sector's transition towards zero emissions, with an objective of “zero emissions for taxis/VTCs by the 2024 Paris Olympic Games”.

Hype’s fleet of taxis will also be able to rely on a wider network of charging stations, following the recent opening of a new recharging point in Roissy, near Paris-Charles-de-Gaulle airport, which joins the existing ones (Paris-Orly, Les-Loges-en-Josas, and Pont de l’Alma). This hydrogen station in Roissy was designed and built by Air Liquide with the support of the FCH JU (Fuel Cells And Hydrogen Joint Undertaking) public-private partnership. . . .

There are posts upthread (e.g. 6/6/2016) related to this.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:58 pm

Both GCC:
Air Liquide selects Hydrogenics for 20MW electrolyzer for hydrogen production; largest PEM electrolyzer in world
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190226-airliquide.html

Air Liquide will build in Canada the largest PEM (Proton-Exchange Membrane) electrolyzer in the world with a 20 megawatts (MW) capacity for the production of low-carbon hydrogen (the facility will use hydropower).

Air Liquide will install a 20 MW electrolyzer that increases by 50% the current capacity of its hydrogen facility located in Bécancour, Québec. The facility is expected to be in commercial operation by the end of 2020, with an output of just under 3,000 tons of hydrogen annually. . . .

This new production unit will significantly reduce carbon intensity compared to the traditional hydrogen production process. Emissions of nearly 27,000 tonnes of CO2 per year, equivalent to those of about 10,000 sedan cars per year, will then be prevented.

Becancour’s proximity to major industrial markets in Canada and the United States will help ensure North America’s supply of low-carbon hydrogen for both industry and mobility usage. . . .


Nel ASA to supply 2MW PEM electrolyzer in Switzerland; 30 MW framework contract for Hyundai hydrogen trucks
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/02/20190226-nel.html

SQL errors prevent quoting.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:50 pm

This seems to be at the Dem/Val stage as opposed to just another lab experiment. Via GCC:

KU Leuven team creates solar panel that produces hydrogen from moisture in air\
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/03/20190308-kul.html

Bioscience engineers at KU Leuven have created a solar panel that produces hydrogen gas from moisture in the air. After ten years of development, the panel can now produce 250 liters per day—a world record, according to the researchers. Twenty of these solar panels could provide electricity and heat for one family for an entire winter.

A traditional solar panel converts between 18 to 20% of the solar energy into electricity. If that electric power is used to split the water into hydrogen gas and oxygen, you lose a lot of energy. The KU Leuven bioscience engineers solved this problem by designing a solar panel of 1.6 m² that converts 15% of the sunlight straight into hydrogen gas.

    It’s a unique combination of physics and chemistry. In the beginning, the efficiency was only 0.1 per cent, and barely any hydrogen molecules were formed. Today, you see them rising to the surface in bubbles. So that’s ten years of work—always making improvements, detecting problems. That’s how you get results.

    —Professor Johan Martens

    Twenty of these panels produce enough heat and electricity to get through the winter in a thoroughly insulated house and still have power left. Add another twenty panels, and you can drive an electric car for an entire year.

    —KU Leuven researcher Jan Rongén. . . .

The solar panel will be under test in Oud-Heverlee, a rural town in Flemish Brabant. The house we visit is well insulated and gets most of its power from solar panels, a solar boiler, and a heat pump. It is not connected to the gas grid. It only uses power from the grid in the winter.

Soon, 20 hydrogen gas panels will be added to this mix. If all goes well, more panels will be installed on a piece of land in the street. This will allow the other 39 families in the street to benefit from the project as well. The hydrogen gas produced in the summer will be stored and converted into electricity and heat in the winter.

The hydrogen gas produced in the summer can be stored in an underground pressure vessel until winter. One family would need about 4 cubic meters of storage—the size of a regular oil tank. . .

    We wanted to design something sustainable that is affordable and can be used practically anywhere. We’re using cheap raw materials and don't need precious metals or other expensive components.

    —Johan Martens

The actual cost of the hydrogen gas panels is still unknown, as the mass production is yet to start. The researchers, however, say that it should be affordable. The emphasis will not so much be on large production units, but rather on the combination of smaller, local systems. It will also require less energy-guzzling transport of energy, whether it’s gas, oil, or electricity.

Last week, Toyota announced that it wants to produce hydrogen gas with a prototype designed by Johan Martens’s team in 2014. This device is a little screen (10 cm2) that the engineers will scale up to a large panel.
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Re: Hydrogen and FCEVs discussion thread

Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:25 pm

GCC:
S. Korea launches new company to lead construction of hydrogen fueling infrastructure; 100 stations by 2022
https://www.greencarcongress.com/2019/03/20190311-hynet.html

South Korea’s Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy (MOTIE) announced that 13 hydrogen-related companies, including Hyundai Motor, are partnering to launch a special purpose corporation (SPC), named HyNet, to drive the construction of hydrogen refueling infrastructure in the country.

HyNet, with an investment of US$119 million (134 billion KRW) has the goal of building out 100 hydrogen stations by 2022—one-third of the Korean government’s target to build a total of 310 stations across the country by the same year.

HyNet will use the initial investment and subsidies from the Ministry of Environment—1.5 billion KRW (US$1.3 million) for each station, to build the infrastructure. . . .
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