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UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8 mpg

Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:18 pm

Via GCC:

"UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8 mpg in August"

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/09 ... umtri.html
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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:09 pm

About time - we finally passed the 1908 Model T! Woot!

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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:17 am

This was part of my frustration in looking for new car to buy. Almost none of them get better mileage than my 1994 Honda Del Sol. Now granted, Del Sol is a two seater. But... in 20 years? I suppose I need some means of normalizing my own driving with that of the MPG tests. But, when you're consistently (in the Summer) getting 40+MPG, it's hard to buy most of the "high mileage" cars available today and step back in mileage. Seems CAFE has done little over the last 20 years.

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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:57 am

kikngas wrote:This was part of my frustration in looking for new car to buy. Almost none of them get better mileage than my 1994 Honda Del Sol. Now granted, Del Sol is a two seater. But... in 20 years? I suppose I need some means of normalizing my own driving with that of the MPG tests. But, when you're consistently (in the Summer) getting 40+MPG, it's hard to buy most of the "high mileage" cars available today and step back in mileage. Seems CAFE has done little over the last 20 years.


You are correct. The CAFE standard for passenger cars was unchanged from 1990 to 2010. That's changing and is scheduled to change rather significantly over the next decade.

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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:55 pm

Nubo wrote:
kikngas wrote:This was part of my frustration in looking for new car to buy. Almost none of them get better mileage than my 1994 Honda Del Sol. Now granted, Del Sol is a two seater. But... in 20 years? I suppose I need some means of normalizing my own driving with that of the MPG tests. But, when you're consistently (in the Summer) getting 40+MPG, it's hard to buy most of the "high mileage" cars available today and step back in mileage. Seems CAFE has done little over the last 20 years.


You are correct. The CAFE standard for passenger cars was unchanged from 1990 to 2010. That's changing and is scheduled to change rather significantly over the next decade.

There's no question that the cheapest gas at any time in constant dollars (lowest was in 1998 IIRR) in the '90s drove the move to BRoD-class SUVs and de-emphasized gas mileage, until prices started their rapid rise in 2004. But it's also true that cars are bigger and heavier now thanks to safety improvements as well as being cleaner, so comparing the mileage of a car designed to 1990s safety and environmental standards with a current one is not apples to apples.
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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:54 pm

GRA wrote:
Nubo wrote:
kikngas wrote:This was part of my frustration in looking for new car to buy. Almost none of them get better mileage than my 1994 Honda Del Sol. Now granted, Del Sol is a two seater. But... in 20 years? I suppose I need some means of normalizing my own driving with that of the MPG tests. But, when you're consistently (in the Summer) getting 40+MPG, it's hard to buy most of the "high mileage" cars available today and step back in mileage. Seems CAFE has done little over the last 20 years.


You are correct. The CAFE standard for passenger cars was unchanged from 1990 to 2010. That's changing and is scheduled to change rather significantly over the next decade.

There's no question that the cheapest gas at any time in constant dollars (lowest was in 1998 IIRR) in the '90s drove the move to BRoD-class SUVs and de-emphasized gas mileage, until prices started their rapid rise in 2004. But it's also true that cars are bigger and heavier now thanks to safety improvements as well as being cleaner, so comparing the mileage of a car designed to 1990s safety and environmental standards with a current one is not apples to apples.

The reason auto companies push to sell pickups and SUVs is because they have considerably lower safety requirements and lower fuel economy targets than cars - that's why they're so profitable. It's apples and oranges to assume that car safety + car economy also applies to trucks. ;)
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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:31 pm

AndyH wrote:
GRA wrote:There's no question that the cheapest gas at any time in constant dollars (lowest was in 1998 IIRR) in the '90s drove the move to BRoD-class SUVs and de-emphasized gas mileage, until prices started their rapid rise in 2004. But it's also true that cars are bigger and heavier now thanks to safety improvements as well as being cleaner, so comparing the mileage of a car designed to 1990s safety and environmental standards with a current one is not apples to apples.

The reason auto companies push to sell pickups and SUVs is because they have considerably lower safety requirements and lower fuel economy targets than cars - that's why they're so profitable. It's apples and oranges to assume that car safety + car economy also applies to trucks. ;)

That's part of the reason they're cheaper, but mainly it's because they're still body on frame construction. Introducing a new model of SUV reduces the development costs substantially, as pickup-truck based SUVs are essentially pickups with an extra set of doors and a covered cargo area. Development was cheap and quick, and by tarting them up they convinced customers to pay a premium price. Add to that high volumes because so much was common with the bread and butter pickups, and major profits are guaranteed (as long as gas prices are low, that is). Been awhile since I read "High and Mighty", but that's the way the high profit margins were explained.
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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:05 pm

Via GCC:

"UMTRI monthly report shows large drop in new-vehicle fuel economy in September"

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/10 ... tri-1.html

Down to 25.3 mpg, a drop of 0.5 mpg from August. Nothing like lower gas prices to boost the sales of vehicles with poorer mpg.
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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:27 pm

GRA wrote:Nothing like lower gas prices to boost the sales of vehicles with poorer mpg.


They probably averaged in all of the LEAF sales as zero MPG :lol:

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Re: UMTRI: new vehicle fuel economy hits record high of 25.8

Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:27 pm

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UMTRI: average fuel economy of new vehicles in US in October unchanged from September

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/11 ... umtri.html

I expect it will drop in November, as people react to lower gas prices. Sad, but true.
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