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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:04 am

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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:47 pm

Tesla Model 3 doesn’t come with free Supercharger credits like Model S and Model X

Tesla had already confirmed that Model 3 owners wouldn’t have free unlimited access to its Supercharger network like Model S and Model X owners who bought their vehicles using Tesla’s referral program. They said that Model 3 would fall under its pay-per-use Supercharger model, but it wasn’t clear, at least to us, if the Model 3 would come with free “Supercharger credits.”

The answer is no...

Tesla confirmed to Electrek that they are indeed not giving Supercharger Credit with the Model 3.

It actually goes against what Tesla CEO Elon Musk said last year...

https://electrek.co/2016/11/17/elon-mus ... -charging/

Of course, the free Supercharging model was never sustainable in the first place, but it’s clearer than ever now with Model 3, which is expected to hit the streets in higher volume than Model S and Model X...

https://electrek.co/2017/10/17/tesla-mo ... r-credits/

edatoakrun wrote: OP, Fri Apr 17, 2015 ...It seems to me that the only way it could work (and quite improbably, at that) is if the future purchasers of the "$50k car" (if and when they are sold) would be willing to subsidize the charging costs for those "people who can afford a $100k car" in the present...

And soon we'll see how well this scheme works...
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:44 am

For a company that claims to have given free access to all it's patents, it sounds like TSLA might not take very kindly to any threats to its monopoly on DC charge capability for its vehicles...

First Tesla connector added to a public fast-charging station with CCS/CHAdeMO

...We previously reported on GOFAST, a 150 kW fast-charging network coming online in Switzerland. The network is being marketed as ‘Supercharger for all’ due to its capacity aiming to be competitive with Tesla’s Superchargers and its multi-standard support.

At their latest stations in Gunzgen, Switzerland, the company installed their first Tesla Type 2 connector with the automaker’s trademark handle...

It makes it one of the most well equipped charging stations in terms of multi-standard support...

Update: Tesla sent us the following statement about the project:

“Despite repeated discussion and warnings, EVTEC continues to use a damaged and dismantled Tesla DC adapter for a charging service they promote. The misuse of our logo and reference to Supercharging is misleading the public and implies Tesla supports these chargers. In fact, Tesla had no involvement in the development of this charging system and has not tested or authorized its safety for use with Tesla vehicles.”

https://electrek.co/2018/01/22/ev-fast- ... s-chademo/

Related to reports of the odd inability of model 3 (paying DC customers) owners to use a TSLA-supplied adapter?

Conflicting reports, but the majority opinion seems to be:

...The Model 3 currently does not work with Tesla’s CHAdeMO adapter. I’ve got an email out to Tesla about whether this will change anytime soon...

https://electrek.co/2018/01/04/tesla-mo ... -answered/
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:40 pm

X-post from Tesla Supercharger network, via IEVS:
Tesla Quietly Jacks Up Supercharging Rates In U.S.
https://insideevs.com/tesla-quietly-raises-u-s-supercharging-rates/
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:56 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Small correction: Supercharger access is 20 cents a kWh in California, but it varies by state. I'll pay about 13 cents a kWh in Colorado

Major correction:

Whatever are the teaser rates it has announced, TSLA's only commitment to model 3 buyers is that it will impose whatever fees it wants to for charging at its DC sites.

Tesla will likely never play that game....

Zythryn wrote:...You are just too much sometimes.
These are the rates that are charged. Model 3 owners have already been charged, and paid for SuperChargers.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=18016&start=1630

Direct link to today's TSLA charge rates:

https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging

30% rate increase for CA and ~70% rate increase for CO, from rates posted above.
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:26 pm

Good, now it won't be a bunch of locals charging all the time. $.26 in CA is still lower than PGE reality rates.
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:29 pm

edatoakrun wrote:https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging

30% rate increase for CA and ~70% rate increase for CO, from rates posted above.

Fortunately, the page is written in a way now (and from the previous snapshot) so that it doesn't require any roundtrips with the server to retrieve the pricing. The prices are all visible in the source and the Javascript just updates the visible text based upon the selection in the <SELECT>.

Here's a snapshot from Feb 1, 2018: https://web.archive.org/web/20180201045 ... ercharging. Fortunately someone did their duty (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9553) by submitting the URL to http://archive.org/web/.

Yeah, 26 cents/kWh is actually still pretty decent for CA in PG&E-land. For those on E-1, tier 2 is 27.748 cents/kWh and tier 3 is over 40 cents/kWh: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf. I've posted about my baseline and tiers at viewtopic.php?p=471487#p471487 (but the rates there are old now since PG&E has raised them).

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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:59 am

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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:16 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:Good, now it won't be a bunch of locals charging all the time. $.26 in CA is still lower than PGE reality rates.

You're wrong, of course.

I've never paid PG&E more than 18 cents a kWh (off-peak) myself.

But more to the point, this was just the first of what will undoubtedly be many future rate hikes by TSLA.

Courtesy of the TSLA unregulated monopoly electricity supplier, ironically known as superchargers...

I wonder how long it will be before model 3 owners will begin to demand to be free to use public DC charge sites, and how tenaciously will TSLA fight emancipation?
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Re: Business model of the NOT "free...forever" Tesla DC network

Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:47 pm

cwerdna wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharging

30% rate increase for CA and ~70% rate increase for CO, from rates posted above.

Fortunately, the page is written in a way now (and from the previous snapshot) so that it doesn't require any roundtrips with the server to retrieve the pricing. The prices are all visible in the source and the Javascript just updates the visible text based upon the selection in the <SELECT>.

Here's a snapshot from Feb 1, 2018: https://web.archive.org/web/20180201045 ... ercharging. Fortunately someone did their duty (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9553) by submitting the URL to http://archive.org/web/.

Yeah, 26 cents/kWh is actually still pretty decent for CA in PG&E-land. For those on E-1, tier 2 is 27.748 cents/kWh and tier 3 is over 40 cents/kWh: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf. I've posted about my baseline and tiers at viewtopic.php?p=471487#p471487 (but the rates there are old now since PG&E has raised them).


Tier 1, if you live in studio apartment perhaps with no EV:)
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