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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:17 pm

Yes, Diesel Locomotives are very dirty especially starting up and this is perfectly acceptable , they don't have to adhere to anything like the standards that cars do. So many diesel locomotives that are decades old still in use.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:47 pm

Levenkay wrote:This reminds me of the various Star Trek crises where the Enterprise's audio alerts have counted down to a "Fatal radiation exposure in five seconds" warning before the critical shield repair is done and everyone heaves a vast, "Wow, that was close; five more seconds' worth of XYZ rays and we'd have been toast!" sigh of relief and goes back to their cheerful business without needing so much as an aspirin.


In real life, exposure to a small amount of various toxins causes a tiny chance of dying. Exposure to a larger amount causes a small chance of dying. Only the larger amounts of toxins are very noticeable due to more people dying of similar and not usual causes. Like the London Great Smog of 1952 causing at least 4,000 deaths, and probably more like 12,000 deaths. A lot of dead people get noticed. Takes a bit more careful look to see the smaller amounts.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:23 pm

WetEV wrote:
Levenkay wrote:This reminds me of the various Star Trek crises where the Enterprise's audio alerts have counted down to a "Fatal radiation exposure in five seconds" warning before the critical shield repair is done and everyone heaves a vast, "Wow, that was close; five more seconds' worth of XYZ rays and we'd have been toast!" sigh of relief and goes back to their cheerful business without needing so much as an aspirin.


In real life, exposure to a small amount of various toxins causes a tiny chance of dying. Exposure to a larger amount causes a small chance of dying. Only the larger amounts of toxins are very noticeable due to more people dying of similar and not usual causes. Like the London Great Smog of 1952 causing at least 4,000 deaths, and probably more like 12,000 deaths. A lot of dead people get noticed. Takes a bit more careful look to see the smaller amounts.

Yes, slow but steady rates only show up statistically, whereas big splashy catastrophes get the news coverage. Far more people die in auto accidents annually than plane crashes, but they do so in much smaller numbers per incident, so it becomes an accepted part of background noise. Same with most exposures to toxins or other health-related causes of death - If there's a dozen cases of Zika reported people go bonkers, but the much larger number of people dying each year from causes related to Type II diabetes (to pick one example at random) don't get wall-to-wall coverage on the nightly news for several news cycles.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:05 am

The below has more details than the earlier Rueters article.

Forbes: Feds Arrest VW Exec -- And Implicate Higher-Ups In Wolfsburg, Too
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfishe ... onspiracy/

F.B.I. Arrests Volkswagen Executive on Conspiracy Charge in Emissions Scandal:
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/busin ... .html?_r=1

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:36 pm

Via GCC:
Volkswagen AG agrees to plead guilty and pay $4.3B in criminal and civil penalties; 6 execs and employees indicted
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2017/01 ... 11-vw.html

. . . Indictment. Heinz-Jakob Neusser; Jens Hadle; Richard Dorenkamp; Bernd Gottweis; Oliver Schmidt; and Jürgen Peter, all of Germany, are charged with one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States, defraud VW’s US customers and violate the Clean Air Act by making false representations to regulators and the public about the ability of VW’s supposedly “clean diesel” vehicles to comply with US emissions requirements.

The indictment also charges Dorenkamp, Neusser, Schmidt and Peter with Clean Air Act violations and charges Neusser, Gottweis, Schmidt and Peter with wire fraud counts. This case has been assigned to US District Judge Sean F. Cox of the Eastern District of Michigan.

Schmidt was arrested on 7 Jan. 2017, in Miami during a visit to the United States and appeared in federal court there on Monday. The other defendants are believed to presently reside in Germany.

According to the indictment, the individuals occupied the following positions within the company:

    Heinz-Jakob Neusser: from July 2013 until September 2015, Neusser worked for VW as head of Development for VW Brand and was also on the management board for VW Brand. From October 2011 until July 2013, Neusser served as the head of Engine Development for VW.

    Jens Hadler: from May 2007 until March 2011, Hadler worked for VW as head of Engine Development for VW.

    Richard Dorenkamp: from 2003 until December 2013, Dorenkamp worked for VW as the head of VW’s Engine Development After-Treatment Department in Wolfsburg, Germany. From 2006 until 2013, Dorenkamp led a team of engineers that developed the first diesel engine that was designed to meet the new, tougher emissions standards in the United States.

    Bernd Gottweis: from 2007 until October 2014, Gottweis worked for VW as a supervisor with responsibility for Quality Management and Product Safety.

    Oliver Schmidt: from 2012 through February 2015, Schmidt was the General Manager in charge of the Environment and Engineering Office, located in Auburn Hills, Michigan. From February 2015 through September 2015, Schmidt returned to VW headquarters to work directly for Neusser, including on emissions issues.

    Jürgen Peter: Peter worked in the VW Quality Management and Product Safety Group from 1990 until the present. From March 2015 until July 2015, Peter was one of the VW liaisons between the regulatory agencies and VW. . . .

. . . When the co-conspirators realized that they could not design a diesel engine that would both meet the stricter NOx emissions standards and attract sufficient customer demand in the US market, they decided they would use a software function to cheat standard US emissions tests. . . .

Disagreements over the direction of the project were articulated at a meeting over which Hadler presided, and which Dorenkamp attended. Hadler authorized Dorenkamp to proceed with the project knowing that only the use of the defeat device software would enable VW diesel vehicles to pass US emissions tests. . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:06 am

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/b ... hmidt.html

Sounds like he's still in the hoosgow. Flight risk (figuratively and literally) since Germany doesn't extradite.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:41 pm

Via GCR:
Court orders full reimbursement for VW diesel owner in Germany
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... in-germany

. . . VW "defeat device" software is like putting horse meat in lasagna, three German judges decreed during a recent hearing related to the diesel scandal.

Besides unleashing that vivid image, the hearing was also a major coup for German Volkswagen TDI diesel owners. That's because the judges ordered VW to reimburse a diesel owner for the full purchase price of his car, according to Bloomberg. Germany does not allow class-action lawsuits, so diesel owners seeking compensation must sue the company individually, which presents a major obstacle to obtaining that compensation. . . .

German law also requires the loser of a case to pay all court fees, another impediment as it can pose a significant financial impact for individual plaintiffs. But it's possible that this court decision may set a precedent for future diesel lawsuits by owners against Volkswagen.

The court ordered VW to buy back a Skoda Yeti—a utility model sold by the automaker's Czech value brand—and pay the owner 26,500 euros ($28,300). Volkswagen intentionally committed fraud, the court said in a statement, suggesting that use of "defeat device" software was known throughout the company's ranks. . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:52 pm

GRA wrote:Via GCR:
Court orders full reimbursement for VW diesel owner in Germany
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... in-germany

. . . VW "defeat device" software is like putting horse meat in lasagna, three German judges decreed during a recent hearing related to the diesel scandal.

Besides unleashing that vivid image, the hearing was also a major coup for German Volkswagen TDI diesel owners. That's because the judges ordered VW to reimburse a diesel owner for the full purchase price of his car, according to Bloomberg. Germany does not allow class-action lawsuits, so diesel owners seeking compensation must sue the company individually, which presents a major obstacle to obtaining that compensation. . . .

German law also requires the loser of a case to pay all court fees, another impediment as it can pose a significant financial impact for individual plaintiffs. But it's possible that this court decision may set a precedent for future diesel lawsuits by owners against Volkswagen.

The court ordered VW to buy back a Skoda Yeti—a utility model sold by the automaker's Czech value brand—and pay the owner 26,500 euros ($28,300). Volkswagen intentionally committed fraud, the court said in a statement, suggesting that use of "defeat device" software was known throughout the company's ranks. . . .


I wish we had a law like that in the US. Maybe not quite as strict, but a lost lawsuit should automatically be turned into an evaluation for a "frivolous" lawsuit. In which case, the loser has to pay court fees.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:26 am

Where do VW diesels go to die?

Photos and video at the link answer the question...

...At the moment hundreds of thousands of Volkswagen TDIs are currently in limbo, as VW waits to see if they can get the EPA and California Air Resources Board to approve fixes for the cheating cars, or if the company will be forced to send the vehicles to the salvage yard.

This means VW has to find purgatories for its 400,000+ cars, so I asked a company spokesperson where those locations might be. VW’s response was simply:

Once a buyback transaction is complete, Volkswagen will remove the vehicle from the dealership and store it at a regional facility. These vehicles will be held until it is determined whether an approved emissions modification becomes available.


After a bit of hunting on forums, and a couple of tips from readers and friends, I seem to have found three such “regional facilities”: one in Pontiac, Michigan; one in San Bernardino, California; and one in Baltimore, Maryland...

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-stashed- ... 1791535662
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:13 pm

I believe that the precedent being set can be of value to the VW owners in Germany. Secondarily for them, the same lawyers that successfully won the first case could take on additional clients, having the first client under their belt.

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