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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:20 am

Makes sense, all cars look pretty much the same after they've been through a crusher.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:03 am

On the one side we have Trump supporters, on the other side we have "VW=anti-environmental company" ideology supporters.
If I add those up I get a massive overlap. This means either people don't understand Trump or what the heck VW did.

What VW did is bad in many ways but environmental is not one of those.
Ask opinion from real scientists, don't judge/decide according to hungry political/journalistic industry conviction+persuasion.

This is why Elon Musk, a guy who doesn't like oil industry, supported much more rational penalty for VW we all could benefit from.

It is pretty common for US citizens to be so insanely barbarous on many things, especially foreign products.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:19 pm

I wonder if this is really true and that the loopholes exist that allow for this to happen.

How Car Dealers Are Screwing Volkswagen Owners:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/car-dealers- ... 21457.html

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:19 pm

cwerdna wrote:I wonder if this is really true and that the loopholes exist that allow for this to happen.

How Car Dealers Are Screwing Volkswagen Owners:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/car-dealers- ... 21457.html
The article reads like sensationalist garbage. The car owner decided to sell his car to a dealer rather than return it to VW. I don't know if the sell occurred before the VW court case was decided, but it does not matter: the first owner chose his move and it ended up being the not most profitable way.

It could have worked out differently, that the owner collected $10k from the dealer for a car no one would buy. For all we know the first owner tried to sell it on the private market and failed, and then dumped it at the dealer and figured he had done a good day's work .... until he found out that a buyback would have been more money.

My only question would be whether the buyback program was already in action when the purchase happened, and whether VW car dealers are mandated to disclose the program to car owners who come in to sell the involved cars.
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:08 pm

Via ABG:
VW will pay $200 million in 3.0-liter TDI V6 engine emissions settlement
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/12/16/volk ... ettlement/

As reported by Reuters, Volkswagen AG has agreed to pay roughly 200 million dollars to offset the emissions produced by the 3.0 TDI V6 engines in the US. About 85,000 of Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche vehicles were sold in the United States with the mentioned turbodiesel engine that has been found to have been fitted with a so-called defeat device. These include the VW Touareg, Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne sport utility vehicles.

VW is expected to formally announce the settlement Friday. . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:12 pm

cwerdna wrote:I LOLed at this.
Disgruntled Diesel VW Owners Are Stripping Their Cars Before Turning Them In
http://jalopnik.com/disgruntled-diesel- ... 1790053005

This VW Diesel Owner Is About To Turn In A Completely Stripped Car:
http://jalopnik.com/this-vw-diesel-owne ... 1790289804

I wonder if it'll be accepted.

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:50 pm

Via GCC:
Volkswagen reaches agreement with US and California on 3.0L diesels; $225M to environmental remediation, $25M to CA ZEV
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/12 ... 20-vw.html

. . .Under the terms of the proposed Consent Decree, Volkswagen has agreed to:

    Recall approximately 63,000 affected 2013-2016 Model Year Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche 3.0L TDI V6 vehicles with Generation 2 engines to bring them into compliance with the emissions standards to which they were certified, if appropriate modifications are approved by EPA and CARB. If Volkswagen is unable to meet this requirement, it will offer to buy back or terminate the leases of these vehicles and may also seek approval by EPA and CARB to offer customers a modification to substantially reduce their NOx emissions.

    Buy back or terminate the leases of approximately 20,000 affected 2009-2012 Model Year Volkswagen and Audi 3.0L TDI V6 vehicles with Generation 1 engines or, if approved by EPA and CARB, modify the vehicles to substantially reduce their NOx emissions so as to allow eligible owners and lessees to keep them.

    Contribute $225 million to the environmental remediation trust that is being established under Volkswagen’s 2.0L TDI settlements in the United States to fully mitigate the lifetime NOx emissions of the affected 3.0L TDI V6 vehicles.

    As part of its agreement with the State of California, Volkswagen will also pay $25 million to CARB to support the use of zero emissions vehicles (ZEVs) in the State. . . .
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:11 am

cwerdna wrote:This VW Diesel Owner Is About To Turn In A Completely Stripped Car:
http://jalopnik.com/this-vw-diesel-owne ... 1790289804

I wonder if it'll be accepted.

VW is currently balking on this stripped car.
http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-refuses- ... 1790345158

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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:09 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
cwerdna wrote:I LOLed at this.
Disgruntled Diesel VW Owners Are Stripping Their Cars Before Turning Them In
http://jalopnik.com/disgruntled-diesel- ... 1790053005

If I were in this situation and it's apparently allowed, I'd probably do this too. Could earn a little extra cash on the side.

That's hilarious. A co-worker of mine has one, we talked about this. A lot of parts are going to be useless on other cars, and clearly draining newer oil and putting in old oil is a silly waste of time and effort, but nice wheels and tires in good shape are a no brainer. And minor collision damage? Fuggedaboutit.


An incredibly selfish and ungrateful thing to do.
I have a 2013 Jetta TDI that I bought new four years ago. It has 32,000 miles on it and is literally like new. It is a wonderful car and I love it, but VW is offering me a thousand dollars more in buy back than I paid for it new, so I am selling it back.
Even thought it is going into the crusher, I will turn it back in essentially the same condition it was when new.
Why be petty?
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Re: Volkswagen Group Massive Emissions Fraud Scheme

Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:25 am

craig wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:
cwerdna wrote:I LOLed at this.
Disgruntled Diesel VW Owners Are Stripping Their Cars Before Turning Them In
http://jalopnik.com/disgruntled-diesel- ... 1790053005

If I were in this situation and it's apparently allowed, I'd probably do this too. Could earn a little extra cash on the side.

That's hilarious. A co-worker of mine has one, we talked about this. A lot of parts are going to be useless on other cars, and clearly draining newer oil and putting in old oil is a silly waste of time and effort, but nice wheels and tires in good shape are a no brainer. And minor collision damage? Fuggedaboutit.


An incredibly selfish and ungrateful thing to do.
I have a 2013 Jetta TDI that I bought new four years ago. It has 32,000 miles on it and is literally like new. It is a wonderful car and I love it, but VW is offering me a thousand dollars more in buy back than I paid for it new, so I am selling it back.
Even thought it is going into the crusher, I will turn it back in essentially the same condition it was when new.
Why be petty?


Totally agree. This is probably a good indication of how he also conducts business. If he is a car sales guy then I would defintely avoid someone like this. This is probably how we was brought up, use and abuse and be on the edge of what he can get away with instead of what is right. Everyone has to live their own lives I guess. Hope he doesn't have kids because they will be the same way. Sad.
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