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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:50 pm

co2112 wrote:Having a family of six we need a larger car.

You are paying for your choices. That is a good [tm] thing.
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:52 pm

RonDawg wrote:The rather sudden ramp-up in fuel prices is going to hurt small businesses

As if expenses are not passed on to the consumer. Hah
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:54 pm

GRA wrote:As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.

I agree, but this tax was not intended to change consumer vehicle choice behaviour; it is meant to pay for road maintenance.
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:36 pm

SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.

I agree, but this tax was not intended to change consumer vehicle choice behaviour; it is meant to pay for road maintenance.

The road repairs is just the bait to get it passed. If I understand it correctly, the only true restrictions on the spending is that it be for 'transportation projects', which means the funds will likely be siphoned off to pay for his high speed train when Trump cancels the Federal funding. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for our roads to get better.

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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:49 am

DarthPuppy wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.

I agree, but this tax was not intended to change consumer vehicle choice behaviour; it is meant to pay for road maintenance.

The road repairs is just the bait to get it passed. If I understand it correctly, the only true restrictions on the spending is that it be for 'transportation projects', which means the funds will likely be siphoned off to pay for his high speed train when Trump cancels the Federal funding. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for our roads to get better.



We have one of the highest fuel taxes in the world here in the UK, £2.64/$3.27 is tax on (todays price) £5.50/$6.81 UK gallon. :evil: A lot of our road network is in a terrible state of disrepair, they're certainly not spending that fuel tax on the roads.

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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:53 am

DarthPuppy wrote:The road repairs is just the bait to get it passed. If I understand it correctly, the only true restrictions on the spending is that it be for 'transportation projects', which means the funds will likely be siphoned off to pay for his high speed train when Trump cancels the Federal funding. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for our roads to get better.


+1.
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:58 pm

SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.

I agree, but this tax was not intended to change consumer vehicle choice behaviour; it is meant to pay for road maintenance.


Which is a total failure to recognize you can get both at the same time.

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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:57 pm

SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.

I agree, but this tax was not intended to change consumer vehicle choice behaviour; it is meant to pay for road maintenance.

True and however funded, we certainly need to fix them. Our roads and bridges were in lousy shape before all the damage from this winter's rains; even ignoring the major problems that got all the headlines (mudslides, bridge failures, sinkholes etc.), potholes have really proliferated to the point where I'm having to be much more careful when riding my bike.
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:00 am

SageBrush wrote:
RonDawg wrote:The rather sudden ramp-up in fuel prices is going to hurt small businesses

As if expenses are not passed on to the consumer. Hah


Not for her business. She provides residential services at a fixed rate for low income/fixed income residents who are special needs. She cannot simply raise her rates to accommodate additional costs.

She either needs to add additional customers on same days as service area or drop the area all together.
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Re: California Raises Gas Tax, Annual Fee for BEV

Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:04 am

Via KABC:
Breakdown of the plan:

- $24.4 billion by raising the gasoline excise taxes 12 cents per gallon, or 43 percent above the current rate of 27.8 cents starting Nov. 1.

- $7.3 billion by raising the current 16-cent-a-gallon diesel excise tax by 20 cents - a 125 percent increase starting Nov. 1.

- $3.5 billion by increasing the state diesel sales tax from 9 percent to 13 percent starting Nov. 1.

- $16.3 billion from an annual transportation improvement fee based on a vehicle's value, similar to what owners already pay annually to the state Department of Motor Vehicles, beginning next year. The fees range from $25 for vehicles valued at less than $5,000 to $175 for vehicles topping $60,000. The administration says nearly nine-in-10 vehicles would be assessed a fee of $50 or less.

- $200 million from a new $100 annual fee on zero-emission vehicles model year 2020 and later.

- $706 million in repayments of transportation funds that had previously been loaned to the state's General Fund.

The money would be split between state and local governments. Here's where it would go:

- The local share includes $15 billion to fix potholes, $7.5 billion for public transportation and $1 billion for walking and biking trails.

- The state share includes $15 billion for highway repairs, $4 billion for bridge and culvert repairs, $2.5 billion to reduce traffic on major commuter routes.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://abc7.com/traffic/ca-legislature- ... s/1844010/

As I read it, the state gas tax will go to $0.398/gal on 11/1. Add to that the federal gas tax of $0.184/gal, or $0.581/gal. total.
While it may cause a few people to change their car buying preferences, I suspect this isn't enough to shift things by more than a couple of %. Current average California price for reg. is $2.991, so a $0.12 boost is still in the low $3 range. I think we won't see major effects on car buying choices until the average price hits at least $3.50/gal.[/quote]


This is more informative than the bill and the other articles I read. Thank s for sharing.
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