Graffi wrote:Concerning Tesla, they are keeping themselves in the news constantly, announcing some kind of news every few days. When is the last time you heard in the news an announcement by Nissan about the Leaf? None? Sounds about right. Even the sales force and employees at Nissan dealerships do not talk them up unless the customer is specifically looking for an EV. Just like Tesla, Nissan could issue a press release once or twice each week updating the public about the good things Leaf is doing, and what is happening on battery development, what is happening on tech improvement for new Leafs, etc. However, Nissan has, on a corporate level, decided to keep the public in the dark about what is happening. Maybe afraid that any announcement of future Leafs will hurt current sales. Who knows....
We are constantly educating people we meet about EV's. We have spent $0.00 on Leaf maintenance in 50,000 miles, although we do need to replace the two front tires soon ($200 each). The back tires have another 10,000 miles on them, I think. Our ICE also has just over 50,000 miles on it and we have spent several thousand dollars on routine maintenance and service checks. We have spent nothing on repairs yet. Do not know the exact amount and don't want to take the time to figure it out, sorry. Oh, and we probably should change the cabin air filter and windshield wipers before next winter's rainy season (at least in Southern California that is what we call it).
Not that saving money is the reason, but we just bought a new Tesla S 75D. This one DOES include the Unlimited Supercharger use. We will be using it on our various cross-country and regional trips. We estimate over 15,000 miles before summer is over. Anyway, the way I was looking at it:
Vehicle Cost: $100,000 (actually a little less than that, then get the $10,000 fed and state credit/rebate)
Useful Life: 1,000,000 miles
Cost per mile:
$0.10 Vehicle cost amortization
$0.05 Vehicle service and maintenance
$0.00 Fuel cost
$0.15 Total cost of operating our Tesla Model S 75D per mile
This is less than the cost of fuel for our ICE. Plus we have Autopilot for our long freeway trips.
Feel free to punch holes in my simple analysis. If you wish to call me on not including "Loan Interest", the rate is 1.49% so that amount is wrapped into the $100,000 cost. What about battery replacement? That is in the Maintenance cost. JMHO
I have also seen any number of people (supposedly business specialists, short sale specialists, etc.) who say that Tesla keeps itself in the news to divert attention away from their various past and current problems. They used examples such as them consistently not meeting deadlines, not being able to meet projected production figures, etc. That's just what I keep hearing and I am not going to pretend to be any kind of expert or anything, far from it
The biggest issue I have regarding using maintenance as a justification for an EV is that, realistically, the average modern car is simply not that expensive to maintain. I have seen any number of estimates given as to average cost per mile, but the average seems to be about .05 cents per mile for the average (stress average) person. The average person drives around 15,000 miles per year, so you are looking at an annual cost of around $750 for maintenance (gas notwithstanding obviously).
The average selling price for a car in the U.S. is supposed to be something like $34,000. If you are paying $66,000 more than what the average car costs, that extra money would have paid for a LOT of maintenance costs (and fuel) over the next five to six years (average length of time for car ownership in the U.S.). Modern day cars are far more reliable than cars of the past and the reality is that most people are not going to have a major mechanical issue with their cars during the lifetime of the vehicle when purchased new (stress new - I'm not talking about someone picking up a third hand 15 year old car that was poorly maintained). If they do, chances are it will still be within the warranty period and will be covered (always exceptions obviously). I've seen plenty of people who have reported complete failures on their Teslas, so Tesla isn't immune from that either (those failures were taken care of by Tesla, so that's not a stab at Tesla or anything
I was actually playing around with this with my current car this morning (Fiat 500) trying to figure out if an EV would really save me enough money to justify the price. Now, I do not fit into the "average" definition as I probably driver around 8000 miles a year and I do all of my own work on my car. On average (for me), I figure I spend around $500 (and that is rounding up quite a bit) on maintenance and that ranges from oil/filter changes, air filters, tires, etc. This car gets me a consistent 36 to 38mpg and I figure I probably have around 28 gas fill ups a year at an average cost of around $800. So all said and done, this car is costing me about $1200 a year to operate which, if I had an EV, I would save. However, I purchased this car for $10,000 and short of buying a used Leaf, I can't touch an EV for anywhere near that cost. Even if bought a new model S for $30,000, that is still $20K more than my car cost and even if I only keep my Fiat for five years, that means my car would have cost me a grand total of around $16,000 to own and operate and that is still half of what a Leaf costs. I did find a site (think AAA) that tracked all of the current EV cars available and, on average, a person would have to drive them around 70,000 miles before they would hit the break even point when comparing operating costs of all electric versus gas. What would really impact that number would be to have what I would consider affordable prices on EVs. If they can start selling them for the $20K range (like the new Ioniq), those numbers could be tweaked much better. But frankly, if I could afford a $100,000 car, I don't think I would be stressing over gas and maintenance costs