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Re: Why the Gas Station (is, and) Isn’t a Model for Electric Cars

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:16 am

rmay635703 wrote:
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I'm afraid the law makers wouldn't be happy with that. And businesses are afraid of liability problems. Offering a NEMA 15-50 outlet for public use could be asking for problems. So that puts us back at the thousands of dollars per installation cost for each J1772 charging too.


I guess every camp ground is illegal

The article 625 of the NEC clearly states that it is mandatory that 240V EVSE's be hardwired and not portable with a plug (which does not apply to RV's). But apparently other regulations, even in the same article ( 625.18, 625.19, 625.29) state if the EVSE is “…part of a system identified and listed as suitable for the purpose, achieving the requirements of NEC 625.18, 625.19, 625.29 shall be permitted to be cord-and-plug connected.” So there you have a loophole. Well, sort of. If I'm reading this correctly an EVSE with a voltage over 125V must also be permanently mounted, be it plugged in or hardwired too.

https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/-/media/Files/Programs/ChargeNY/EVSE-Overview-NEC-Article-625.pdf
http://communities.leviton.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadBody/3013-102-1-5005/Leviton%20Cord%20and%20Plug%20Connected%20EVSE%20Compliance%20with%20NEC%20by%20Ken%20Brown%5B1%5D.pdf

But then you have to add in local zoning laws, as well as each company's own policy and perspective, as well as the question of how long the loophole will last. Yes, looking at it from our perspective would be "yes, there's no problem in letting us use your NEMA 14-50." But looking at this from a company's perspective, they will be concerned with several things that to us may not even be a problem. One thing that is obvious is that they won't be able to check if each and every EVSE being used is UL listed and NEC compliant.

RV parks and campsites wouldn't be in the same situation. Yes, to us it's the same thing. But to the NEC, Wal-Mart and Joe's Deli it's not the same thing.
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Re: Why the Gas Station (is, and) Isn’t a Model for Electric Cars

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:27 am

So as stupid as it sounds I would be fully legal using a 125vac nema 5-50 powered portable EVSE (which is allowed by code)
And then need a onboard charger to support 40 amps of 125vac and I'm fine.

That is beyond stupid but I'm surprised no one has modeled their systems around the 125 volt is good for portable use no matter what model.

There are 30 amp and 50 amp flavors of both voltages around work at the fence line but I've never had a reason to use L2.

Ah well

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Re: Why the Gas Station (is, and) Isn’t a Model for Electric Cars

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:34 am

Well, there's no reason not to try. For an example:

https://rockies.craigslist.org/com/d/want-to-offer-electric/6294048985.html
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